On Oct 24, 6:32*am, Painius wrote:
On Mon, 22 Oct 2012 00:43:44 -0700 (Seattle), Jeff-Relf.Me @. wrote:
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Painius should (but won't) understand "the Big Bang theory" (Lambda?CDM)..
He just won't; doesn't want to, I assume.

*"Mother Nature" is "The Supreme God": eternal, infinite and perfect.
*She consumes fuel (EXergy); so, virtually , She's "alive".
*[ : Certainly not limited to biblical times/places.
* * : in a notional sort of way, like a map, not real. ]

* *Speaking of God, you belong to tribes/religions of verious sizes..
* *Had you no "tribe", you'd have no "religion"; they are one and the same.

*Randomness is naught but ignorance; so, intrinsically , there is no God,
*and nature is at once "nothing" ( 4?D, changeless and choiceless )
*and everything ( excluding nothing ).
*[ : in reality, despite appearances ]

*Humanity labors to breathe, eat, drink and breed.
*Nature has hard?wired us this way, it wasn't our doing.
*Our "objective" has been fixed by nature, not invented.

* *Speaking of "objectives", the one word mantra/question, "Target?",
* *clears away horrid/debilitating/random thoughts.

* Mass?Energy = Space?Time , they are one and the same.
*Gravity is "EXergy", energy that can do work;
*net net (all things considered), it's forever being consumed away.

* *"Dark Matter" is UNSEEN MASS, "Dark Energy" is EXERGY DEPLETION,
* *and the start of the Big Bang is just the cosmic horizon,
* *similar to the event horizon of an ideal black hole.

*unLike nature, science is finite; it has a horizon, a limit,
*to wit: 13.75 giga?years ago and 46.5 * 2 giga?light?years wide.

I agree that I don't understand the BB. *I certainly don't understand
how anybody in their right mind would even remotely accept that there
was a first "time", an initial "time", after which all time and space
just sort of "took off". *And "before" which has no meaning. *It's
just stupid - royally, unintuitively, and "religiously" stupid.

The Big Bang is a creation myth of science.

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine @http://astronomy.painellsworth.net/
"Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to bitch and moan."

Painius There was a time,space energy,and gravity that created the BB.
It was Planck time,Planck energy.,and Planck lengths. It was a time
before "macro time,macro matter,and no curving of space. yes its
religious type thinking to say the BB went poof and all that is came
to be. Well I have posted my before the BB theory many times. Best to
always keep in mind. "There was never a time when there was
nothing." That is the most profound thought humankind can make. TeBet