On Sep 22, 8:47*pm, palsing wrote:
On Saturday, September 22, 2012 11:46:54 AM UTC-7, oriel36 wrote:
After your assertion this morning that the change in orientation in

the polar coordinates of Uranus is due to orbital perspectives in

tandem with the Earth's orbital motion,I think you have done enough

for one day but take comfort that others are not much better given

that Uranus is roughly 17 times further than the Earth is from the Sun

hence the East/West motion is integral to the planet just as its South

to North daily rotation is.

No. I said the change in Uranus' apparent orientation was due to Earth's orbital motion AND Uranus'orbital motion, taken together, which is accurate..

You are not the first to propose this even though Uranus is
1,600,000,000 million miles away with an orbital period of over 8
decades.It is easier to use the broom analogy to work through the
details of the polar coordinates turning to the central Sun as they
are carried around by the orbital behavior of the planet hence the
motion of Uranus is not influenced by any perspective attributable to
the Earth's orbital motion and the polar coordinates actually do turn
as an integral part of the orbital motion of the planet itself.

http://www.daviddarling.info/images/...gs_changes.jpg

A reasonable person has every reason to believe that the rings and
polar coordinates will keep on turning East to West and in a circle to
the central Sun while the rotational orientation remains fixed
throughout the orbital cycle just as the Earth rotational orientation
does.

An unreasonable person would believe that the change in orientation in
the rings was influenced by the orbital perspective from a moving
Earth instead of solely a property of the orbital behavior of Uranus.



The same thing is true of ANY of the other planets, Uranus just
stands out because of its goofy inclination. Saturn changes its
aspect, too, we sometimes see the rings from the north, sometimes from
the south, and sometimes edge-on, depending entirely of just where
Saturn and the Earth are located in their respective orbits.


Again,the rings of Uranus will continue to turn through 360 degrees to
the central Sun in an East to West direction,this turning is the sole
property of Uranus itself.Uranus has a polar inclination,this is the
way astronomers must consider the issue as an equatorial inclination
replaces the old 'no tilt/no seasons' ideology of old.



You and everyone else are looking at the same observable facts... how it is that you come to different conclusions most of the time? How is it that you are correct and tens of thousands of others are wrong?


Tens of thousands are paid to do a job they are not doing properly and
I have to do for them.This is not a century ago where a person has to
die and slowly get their work accepted and then mangled,this is the
21st century where people with a real love and a talent for astronomy
can come forward and make a difference leaving the sour and narrow
minded to do what they have always done.



http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphot...42521359110656...

\Paul A