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Old August 28th 11, 06:35 PM posted to sci.astro.amateur
oriel36[_2_]
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I have thought quite a lot about what it took Copernicus to work out
that the Earth had two major motions using distinct arguments for each
motion,the daily return of the Sun for daily rotation .and the more
stretched out arguments for orbital motion by treating them as an
illusion.

"What appear to us as motions of the sun arise not from its motion but
from the motion of the earth and our sphere, with which we revolve
about the sun like any other planet. The earth has, then, more than
one motion.
The apparent retrograde and direct motion of the planets arises not
from their motion but from the earth's. The motion of the earth alone,
therefore, suffices to explain so many apparent inequalities in the
heavens." Copernicus 1512

http://dbanach.com/copernicus-commentarilous.htm

Having been clear on the late 17th century mutation which tried to
force the resolution for retrogrades to a hypothetical observer on the
Sun,it would be unusual to encounter opposition to the original
resolution as it is almost impossible to understand it any other
way,even for constellation hoppers like Marty here who has no pretense
for anything other than spotting objects without any sense of the
interpretative skills associated with astronomers.The sequential
imaging showing the differences astronomers since antiquity noted the
duration and extent of retrogrades only enhances what Kepler did in
attaching an orbital modification to the great work of Copernicus

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080511.html

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap080511.html

The next set of images is especially lovely as it includes Uranus in
retrograde ,which of course if the Earth overtaking the planet as we
all move in one direction around the Sun -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap031216.html

The rudeness of readers is quite an experience yet I have no intention
of joining these nuisances in maintaining a hatred of astronomy,there
is however a quiet pride that the new modification applied to the
explanation of the seasons and the natural noon cycles by introducing
an additional orbital component will eventually be accepted as it is
derived from direct observations of Uranus and then reworked back into
the effects on Earth.Few of my ancestors had to deal with this biting
hostility which serves no good purpose ,after all,we sing our hearts
out for our astronomical talent and I am not adverse to recognizing
that some people just wish to appreciate the world and the Universe at
their own level so we sing as best we can with what talent God gives
us.

How many people who feel things will lament the loss of the twin
towers in New York,not just the physical buildings themselves nor the
loss of life on that day but what these things once represented in
context of an era and somehow the reader can imagine how I must feel
when misguided people tried to diminish the great Western insights
because of a need to explain all motions in the same framework,the
toxic strain of empiricism used Ra/Dec to achieve that
objective.So,like every soldier who has little choice to pick a
battleground,I come here and remind readers what astronomy once was
and how it can return to a world that badly needs it.The nuisances
are not good enough to draw me into a slanging match and the rest are
silent when they should participate but whatever way it is
approached,this is our era and do not need to be chained to the
mistakes of the past for that would be a true sign of weakness.