On Aug 27, 10:15*pm, wrote:
oriel36 wrote:
On Aug 27, 7:32 pm, Marty wrote:
On Aug 27, 12:01 pm, "Howard Lester"
wrote:

"Marty" *wrote

http://img.villagephotos.com/imageview.aspx?i'409198

Marty
Hmm. *I clicked on this to see if it worked after I posted it, and
showed it to my wife, and she LAUGHED....

It looks like a bird just got hit, feathers flying.... *:-)

That's one of the nice things about being an amateur astronomer... *I
can enjoy the beauty of nature without having to pick it out of the
grill of my car...

Marty

You are a homocentrist rather than an amateur astronomer and at least
be proud of your new *appropriate title,an amateur astronomer could at
least tell you the Earth turns once in a day and 1461 times in 1461
days,if you have problems with that then I suggest you read the
rotation of the Earth out of a basic temperature index -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/104?

The word 'amateur' has nothing to do with not being paid,it is the
love of something -

"amateur (n.)
1784, "one who has a taste for (something)," from Fr. amateur "lover
of," from L. amatorem (nom. amator) "lover," agent noun from amatus,
pp. of amare "to love""
Online Etymology

I have seen nothing but pure hatred for astronomy by people who dare
call themselves astronomers,amateur or otherwise.You are not looking
at the beauty of nature Marty,there are too many empiricists out there
who speak of the same wispy thing while their eyes unreal,you are
simply trying to ignore a judgement that future generations will place
on you and it is truly ugly.

Definition of amateur:

1. A person who engages in an art, science, study, or athletic activity as
a pastime rather than as a profession.

So you are wrong about this as well.

You are the person who ignores the universe and bases his whole blinkered
view on what is visible from Earth. People without your mental limitations
are able to see closer to the truth.
Newton could say that there are no retrogrades visible from the Sun and the
whole human race apart from you understands.


Planetary retrograde motion is an illusion caused by the orbital
motion of the Earth and if you can't figure out what Copernicus first
proposed and Galileo and Kepler knew then you stand little chance of
building on the powerful Western astronomical insights -

http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap011220.html

Telescopes and imaging techniques are now so advanced that it is
possible to extend the original insights to orbital and rotational
specifics and especially the additional orbital component needed to
explain the seasons and variations in the natural noon cycle when
allied with daily rotation.The initial excitement has turned to dismay
that readers can't see the two rotations,representing an intrinsic
axis and a separate 'travelling' axis where a planet turns in its
daily rotation to the Sun with variations in latitudinal speeds and
the separate orbital turning to the Sun that is best understood as the
polar daylight/darkness cycle.The wonderful time lapse footage of
Uranus and its unique rotational and orbital traits is almost a gift
to astronomers in allowing students to picture what is going on -

http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/arc...99/11/video/b/

With right ascension,and this is the framework the Royal Society
empiricists use, there is not a chance of separating the daily and
orbital dynamics as the calendar based system formats observations
using timekeeping averages hence the orbital trait gets lost,in Uranus
that is the East/West component as the planet takes 84 years to
complete a 360 degree rotation to the central Sun-

http://astro.berkeley.edu/~imke/Infr..._2001_2005.jpg



When you see the visible universe seem to rotate every sidereal day you
should be able to reason that this us due to the rotation of the Earth. You
still haven't come up with an explanation of this.

You start with Mar 1st 2008 and finish Feb 29th 2012 and work
everything out from there including the late 17th century error which
tried to impose 1465 rotations into the calendar period of 1461
days.Stating the error would mean little to the wider population but
anyone tracking the issue over all the years this has been front and
center can see the effects in multiple areas from geology to
climate,from historical perspectives to contemporary ones and many
more productive avenues to discuss and consider.It is not a time to
go into hiding but to come out and deal with issues decisively rather
than pretend nothing is wrong and especially a call for empiricists
themselves to clean up their own house,after all,there is only a tiny
minority making money trying to repeat the same thing over and over
again using a system and framework that begins and ends in Ra/Dec.

There is nothing new to look forward to unless these issues are
cleared up,unless people really want to engage in the current scam of
attributing outrageous characteristics to exoplanets,there is the
genuine overhaul of astronomy to consider where ideologies such as
'big bang/black hole' go off the menu and visible astronomy makes its
return.