On Dec 6, 4:41*pm, "Chris.B" wrote:
When everybody enjoys Whensenseless' freedoms who will do all the jobs
he doesn't want to do for minimum wage?

Perhaps no one will do them or else the work will have to command
higher wages.

When everybody enjoys low taxes who pays for essential services?

Those who pay taxes.

When everybody has a free choice of school will it house an entire
nation's youth? Will education there be free for all? Or limited to
those who can afford free choice?

There is no such thing as free education, but school vouchers would
help the poor get a better education.

Amendment I, of the US Constitution:

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion,
or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of
speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to
assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

Religious freedom includes agnosticism and atheism.

See Amendment I above.

It excludes
religious garbage in

* PUBLIC *

schools, on the street,

See Amendment I above.

on TV and online

See Amendment I above.

if the
agnostics and atheists are not to suffer a lesser freedom than the
knuckle draggers who still practice stone age superstition.

See Amendment I above.


Whose family values? Yours?

Anything that doesn't violate the rights of others.

Or those who beat their children to death
to match some perversion of their religious fantasy about discipline
and sin? *

We have laws against that.

Or those who butcher their own offspring's genitalia for
another religious perversion?

We have laws against that.

Do arranged marriages come under your
ideal family values?

That's up to the bride and the groom. At least in America. Maybe not
in backward countries of Europe.

Does your idea of a fair trial exclude wealth as the prime factor in
the delivery of justice? Does it include the selection of a single
defence lawyer based on a completely random and independent
computerised list of all those available? ie. A lottery of all those
not already actively engaged in a trial on the day in question.

You are implying that no one should be able to hire a defense lawyer?

Where on the scale from black oil washing up against the coast to
untamed jungle do you place your environmental standards?

Do you use electricity? Fossil fuels? Where is your food grown? Does
your home take up space that might be better left as wildlife habitat?

Does it
match other's ideas of a perfect environment or will you fight wars
over it?

I think that rain forests and endangered species should be preserved,
but those in some third-world countries do not.

How much national defence do you get for pocket money? Which enemy is
daft enough to take on a fleet of aircraft carriers or tanks these
days?

That's kind of the point of having carriers isn't it?

Those with a canoe or backpack full of hi-tech explosives and
unflinching loyalty to a cause. Is a suicide bomber really any
different from a drug crazed marine charging a machine gun post with
his last grenade? It is the enemy, not *you, who sets the rules of
war.

No, we set the rules.

You must adapt or lose. It was ever thus. Just think of the
colossal waste of the constant and rapid obsolescence of armed forces
stores. Trillions upon trillions of dollars spent on money-no-object,
utterly useless technology for an almost forgotten war. Think of the
sheer numbers of storekeepers who guard and keep an eye on it all.

The conservatives have always promised the unobtainable.

Conservatives make no promises, except to keep government on a short
leash.

Appeal to the
electorate's basest instincts and you can guarantee votes from every
gullible retard out there.

That's exactly what socialists do, make enough promises to enough
people to get enough votes (or support) to win an election (or take
over a country without holding one.)

Low taxes, big defence, national loyalty,
big prisons, big police, racial purity, big security, big laws, except
no gun laws, no road laws, religious intolerance, no or low minimum
wage, fear of foreigners, hate the unions, hate social security, hate
the unemployed, hate free health care, hate enforcement of industrial
safety and working conditions rules, the illusion of easy success, let
big business run riot, let the corrupt banks do what they will, let
the rich enjoy another form of justice, education and lifestyle.
Somebody has to pay for all this but nobody wants to. Least of all
you.

That's quite a few strawmen you have set up there.