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Old July 1st 10, 09:28 PM posted to sci.logic,sci.math,sci.astro,alt.philosophy
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Pentcho Valev wrote:

Philosophers of science grant the old rat (Einstein's theory) an
eternal reprieve:

W. H. Newton-Smith, The rationality of science, Routledge, London,
1981, p. 78: "There has been no theory, no matter how successful, that
has not generated some anomalies from its inception until its demise.
The generation of anomalies is not a sufficient condition for
rejecting a theory. For a theory with anomalies is better than no
theory at all."

That is, a theory which predicts that an infinitely long object can be
trapped inside an infinitely short container and that an Einsteinian
travelling with the rivet sees the bug squashed while the bug sees
itself alive and kicking is better than no theory at all (Newton's
theory seems to be "no theory at all"):

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physic...barn_pole.html
"These are the props. You own a barn, 40m long, with automatic doors
at either end, that can be opened and closed simultaneously


The doors do not close or open simultaneously in both the frame of
reference of the barn and the frame of reference of the pole.

by a
switch. You also have a pole, 80m long, which of course won't fit in
the barn. Now someone takes the pole and tries to run (at nearly the
speed of light) through the barn with the pole horizontal. Special
Relativity (SR) says that a moving object is contracted in the
direction of motion: this is called the Lorentz Contraction. So, if
the pole is set in motion lengthwise, then it will contract in the
reference frame of a stationary observer.....So, as the pole passes
through the barn, there is an instant when it is completely within the
barn. At that instant, you close both doors simultaneously, with your
switch. Of course, you open them again pretty quickly, but at least
momentarily you had the contracted pole shut up in your barn. The
runner emerges from the far door unscathed.....If the doors are kept
shut the rod will obviously smash into the barn door at one end. If
the door withstands this the leading end of the rod will come to rest
in the frame of reference of the stationary observer. There can be no
such thing as a rigid rod in relativity so the trailing end will not
stop immediately and the rod will be compressed beyond the amount it
was Lorentz contracted. If it does not explode under the strain and it
is sufficiently elastic it will come to rest and start to spring back
to its natural shape but since it is too big for the barn the other
end is now going to crash into the back door and the rod will be
trapped in a compressed state inside the barn."

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu.../bugrivet.html
"The bug-rivet paradox is a variation on the twin paradox and is
similar to the pole-barn paradox.....The end of the rivet hits the
bottom of the hole before the head of the rivet hits the wall. So it
looks like the bug is squashed.....All this is nonsense from the bug's
point of view. The rivet head hits the wall when the rivet end is just
0.35 cm down in the hole! The rivet doesn't get close to the
bug....The paradox is not resolved."


http://www.physicsforums.com/archive...p/t-57063.html

Have I mentioned recently that you're a moron?

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