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Re: How close is too close to a star going bad?

Brad Guth[_3_] — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:31:08 GMT

On Sep 10, 3:12*am, "David Melville" >
wrote:
> On Tue, 07 Sep 2010 08:17:46 +1000, Brad Guth > wrote:
> > On Sep 6, 2:03 pm, dlzc > wrote:
> >> Dear Brad Guth:
>
> >> On Sep 6, 10:48 am, Brad Guth > wrote:> Would it be *
> >> safe for us if we were parked a light
> >> > year away from this one?
> >> > *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat%27s_Eye_Nebula
> >> > *The Cat's Eye Nebula has expanded its
>
> >> ? outer-most shell radii <0.25 ly. *This one supposedly
>
> >> > started out as a 5 Ms (little more than half the
> >> > mass of the original Sirius B), and supposedly at
> >> > its multiple (12th+) demise cycle it illuminated at
> >> > several thousand fold more than its original self.
>
> >> Since we would not survive direct radiation, it doesn't really matter.
>
> >> I worry about the dust cloud, that would reflect the Sun's light back
> >> in, or at least act like a 10 or 30 K background, that would thereby
> >> increase all our temps by a similar amount.
>
> >> David A. Smith
>
> > Correct, we'd be sort of cooked as well as having been nicely
> > irradiated to death.
>
> Not such a bad thing; we wouldn't have to read any more of your guff.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> * * * * Dave
>
> And then she kissed me and I realised she probably was right.
> There must be fifty ways to leave your lover.
In other words, Semites and other liars and pretenders get the last
word, and as per usual you would not care that you'd have to pay the
ultimate price.

The years of having to survive within a surrounding 100+ K molecular
cloud along with receiving enormous amounts of UV plus X-rays and
Gamma from Sirius(B) that would over time raise our global
temperature, as well as having contributed fuel to our relatively
passive sun would only make you a happy camper.

Actually that extra illuminated and thermally boosted environment
would have made ocean diatoms rather happy, and without their help we
never would have packed away the bulk of our local CO2, so at least
that's a very good thing.

btw, I'm already smart enough as to not having to read through
everything your mainstream status-quo has to say, so I don't know why
you're having such a tough time of it. Just because I can't keep my
newsgroup "7-day activity" views by others much below 14000 must
represent that a lot of your kind has problems ignoring what I have to
say.

~ BG

MARTYRS IN THE ERA OF POSTSCIENTISM

Pentcho Valev — Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:21:05 GMT

http://blog.hasslberger.com/Dingle_S...Crossroads.pdf
Herbert Dingle, SCIENCE AT THE CROSSROADS
"According to the special relativity theory, as expounded by Einstein
in his original paper, two similar, regularly-running clocks, A and B,
in uniform relative motion, must work at different rates.....How is
the slower-working clock distinguished? The supposition that the
theory merely requires each clock to APPEAR to work more slowly from
the point of view of the other is ruled out not only by its many
applications and by the fact that the theory would then be useless in
practice, but also by Einstein's own examples, of which it is
sufficient to cite the one best known and most often claimed to have
been indirectly established by experiment, viz. 'Thence' [i.e. from
the theory he had just expounded, which takes no account of possible
effects of accleration, gravitation, or any difference at all between
the clocks except their state of uniform motion] 'we conclude that a
balance-clock at the equator must go more slowly, by a very small
amount, than a precisely similar clock situated at one of the poles
under otherwise identical conditions.' Applied to this example, the
question is: what entitled Einstein to conclude FROM HIS THEORY that
the equatorial, and not the polar, clock worked more slowly?"

http://articles.adsabs.harvard.edu/c...&filetype=.pdf
Herbert Dingle: "...the internal consistency of the restricted
relativity theory seems questionable if the postulate of the constancy
of the velocity of light is given its usual interpretation... (...)
These difficulties are removed if the postulate be interpreted MERELY
as requiring that the velocity of light relative to its actual
material source shall always be c..."

http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
The farce of physics
Bryan Wallace
"Einstein's special relativity theory with his second postulate that
the speed of light in space is constant is the linchpin that holds the
whole range of modern physics theories together. Shatter this
postulate, and modern physics becomes an elaborate farce! (...) The
speed of light is c+v. (...) I expect that the scientists of the
future will consider the dominant abstract physics theories of our
time in much the same light as we now consider the Medieval theories
of how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or that the Earth
stands still and the Universe moves around it."

Pentcho Valev

Re: It's official: NO Mosque At Ground Zero

��hw��f[_4_] — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 16:00:56 GMT

On Sep 9, 11:21�*am, §ñühw¤£f > wrote:
> Hachiroku ハチ�*ク wrote:
> > On Wed, 08 Sep 2010 14:01:34 -0400, �* Sir Gregory Hall, Esq. wrote:
>
> >> It's the very same thing with Islamists building a huge, 13-story
> >> mosque/Muslim community center next door to the hallowed ground (read
> >> graveyard) where it can't be ignored because it's in plain view and where
> >> the sound of the six-times-daily, calls to prayer and the bowing and
> >> scraping to the Mecca of Islamist passers-by in the street is a constant *in
> >> your face* reminder of atrocities smack dab at the site of the destroyed
> >> Twin Towers where radical Muslims butchered about 2800 innocent people in
> >> the most despicable terrorist attack of all times.
>
> > C'mon, Greg! It's a "community center"! It's open to ALL people.
> > Only because they didn't have the balls to call it what it is.
>
> All mosques are open to the public you ****ing dope. They dont "card you
> for muslim-ness" at the door.
> You must however remove your footwear, fyi.
>
> --www.skepticalscience.com|www.youtube.com/officialpeta
> cageprisoners.com|www.snuhwolf.9f.com|www.eyeonpalin.org
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Cool astrophotography

Joe Snod — Thu, 09 Sep 2010 00:18:17 GMT

Stunning photos of northern lights.

http://preview.tinyurl.com/28f7o3v

GEORGE W. BUSH A TRAITOR, WAR CRIMINAL BUT DON'T CALL HIM A LIAR . . .

Ed[_10_] — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 13:56:19 GMT

<
Former President George W. Bush is a traitor and a war criminal but
he's no liar.
<
Okay, so he has told almost a billion lies about his administration's
direct involvement in the nightmare of 911 -- and the horror of the
wars in Afghanistan and Iraq which followed.
<
But every now and then the Prez had told the truth.
<
One of those rare occasions was when he revealed -- not once, mind
you, but TWICE -- that he had seen on TV the first "plane" striking
the North Tower of the WTC just a short time after it occurred.
<
True, the phony Naudet video of a passenger jet striking the tower
wouldn't be telecast until the next day -- after a plane had been
meticulously inserted into the video to coincide with impact of the
planted explosives -- but the Honest-to-God fact is that GWB wasn't
lying when he said he had seen it on TV.
<
You must understand, however, that what Georgie saw on TV was not on
national TV.
It was in a set in his Oval Office.
<
It was an opportunity -- days, probably weeks before 911 -- for Doctor
Evil and his co-conspirators to see the phony video and express their
awe.
<
So the President wasn't lying when he said -- twice -- that he had
seen it before you or I did.
<
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http://www.solcomhouse.com/images/Ne...Times_9-11.jpg
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUXglJU2w6U
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCtb9nlV_20
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlWSv...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ys41jnL2Elk
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tSBgG...eature=related
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FAKE 911 CRASH FOOTAGE FROM 'COPTER
<
Plane Appears Out of Nowhere, Then
Nose Goes Right Through South Tower
<
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cvWwIxMbmE
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FOREKNOWLEDGE
http://www.911foreknowledge.com/bravenewworld.htm
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/102539...mateur_part_2/
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http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/ca...t/watch/e15542...
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http://groups.google.im/group/alt.ob...51051602ef759c
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DYNAMIC EQUILIBRIUM AND THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS

Pentcho Valev — Wed, 08 Sep 2010 11:25:51 GMT

The following UNREALISTIC scenario will make important features of the
next, realistic, scenario clearer. Assume that, somewhere in an
isolated system in equilibrium, a temperature difference between the
two sides of a thin thermoinsulating plate is somehow maintained. Two
questions are relevant:

(1) Does this violate the second law of thermodynamics?

(2) Can the fact that no real thin plate is a perfect insulator
prevent us from answering "yes" to the first question?

Those who are inclined to answer (1)Yes and (2)No may wish to consider
the following REALISTIC scenario:

If a constant-charge parallel-plate capacitor is immersed in water, a
pressure develops between the plates that greatly exceeds the pressure
outside the capacitor plates. (W. Panofsky, M. Phillips, Classical
Electricity and Magnetism, Addison-Wesley, Reading, Massachusetts,
1962, pp. 112-116). If the capacitor plate is very thin, we can
imagine a sharp drop in pressure across it; then the following
conclusion is unavoidable:

Punching a small hole in the plate will result in an eternal water
flow through the hole, from inside to the outside of the capacitor, in
violation of the second law of thermodynamics.

An objection against the above conclusion could be based on the fact
that, in an isolated system, the capacitor will discharge sooner or
later. The unrealistic scenario may help one to overcome this
objection.

A few years ago, at the 2002 First International Conference on Quantum
Limits to the Second Law, I called the effect "dynamic equilibrium":

http://link.aip.org/link/?APCPCS/643/430/1
"Two testable paradigms - the system performing two types of
reversible work and the system in dynamical equilibrium - suggest that
perpetuum mobile of the second kind in the presence of an operator is
possible."

The scientific community remained silent and hostile but still from
time to time Panofsky-Phillips pressure leaves scientists speechless:

http://www.physorg.com/news110191847.html
"When exposed to a high-voltage electric field, water in two beakers
climbs out of the beakers and crosses empty space to meet, forming the
water bridge. The liquid bridge, hovering in space, appears to the
human eye to defy gravity."

Pentcho Valev

Re: Ping Sarah Ehrett

Sarah Czepiel Ehrett — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 23:21:34 GMT

On Sep 6, 7:38*pm, Woo > wrote:
> On Sep 6, 6:46*pm, Larry in AZ > wrote:
>
> > Waiving the right to remain silent, "dave brooker"
> > > said:
>
> > > "??Usenet Legends bobandcarole" > wrote in
> > > message
>
> > >> Looks like his humiliation was too great to bear
> > >> and he ran away again.
> > >> It's just like a convicted violent CRIMINAL: to keep running... :-)
>
> > > Where's Ken Ehrett gone?
>
> > You miss him much..?
>
> Should anyone?

My husband has a pool. Here is a pic he shot of me and my son Mike.
That's me to the right, and my son IN THE REAR

http://bayimg.com/LaoDiAacN

So now I have proved that I have a pool and a son.

hth LOL

Re: Nearly every meteorite displayed on Ebay USA contains Martianmammalian fossils

Wretch Fossil — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 14:38:31 GMT

On 7��26��, �U��3��23��, Wretch Fossil > wrote:
> On 7��21��, �U��6��04��, Wretch Fossil > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 7��19��, �U��7��13��, Wretch Fossil > wrote:
>
> > > On 7��17��, �U��6��21��, Wretch Fossil > wrote:
>
> > > > On 7��13��, �U��3��47��, Wretch Fossil > wrote:
>
> > > > > Nearly every meteorite displayed on Ebay USA contains Martian
> > > > > mammalian fossils.
>
> > > > > Experts cannot believe the king was really naked.
> > > > > Can you not recognize a fossilized blood vessel under a
> > > > > stereomicroscope-like digital microscope? The total expense for doing
> > > > > this is no more than US$150, as calculated below:
>
> > > > > A meteorite costs you less than US$50, including shipping
> > > > > charges (Don't buy meteorites less than US$15, as they could be too
> > > > > small to find Martian mammalian fossils).
> > > > > A digital microscope costs you less than US$100 on EBay, including
> > > > > shipping charges. Such a digital microscope will give you nearly 3-
> > > > > dimensional view of blood vessel details at 60X and 200X, plus
> > > > > capability to measure blood vessels' diameters and other details down
> > > > > to 0.1 micron.
>
> > > > > Iron meteorites contain more obvious fossils than other kinds of
> > > > > meteorites. If you buy from an IMCA member, you can rest assured your
> > > > > meteorite is genuine.
>
> > > > > I trust you can recognize a fossilized blood vessel,
> > > > > have US$150, are not too cowardly to say the king was naked.
>
> > > > Recommended products:
>
> > > > If you cannot find the right meteorites/digital microscope on Ebay,
> > > > here are some for your easy reference, as I found it torturous to find
> > > > the right things:
> > > > (Meteorites):http://shop.ebay.com/i.html?LH_BIN=1...5%257C66%253A2...
> > > > Above link is good for only a few days.
> > > > You can also search "carved meteorites" on Ebay to find the products.
> > > > Please note tektites are not meteorites.
>
> > > > Digital microscope:http://cgi.ebay.com/Dino-Lite-AM413T...cope-10x-200X-...
> > > > Above link is good for only a few days.
> > > > To find the product, you may also search "AM413T Dino Lite digital
> > > > microscope" on Ebay USA.- ��óQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> > > > - ��ܳQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> > > Proof for above claim/recommendation
>
> > > This morning I decided to demonstrate to you that my above claim and
> > > recommendations are correct. So, I randomly chose a small stony
> > > meteorite (Fig. 1) that was found and carved in China. I easily found
> > > fossilized blood vessels on the meteorite. It was easy because the
> > > carving process had brought out blood vessel remains. Blood vessels
> > > curve, so they are often difficult to find in a flat thin section of
> > > meteorite samples. Those blood vessel remains are definitely not
> > > mineral fibers. Mineral fibers, such as asbestos/gypsum, etc. (note
> > > 1), never contain round concave particles as shown in Fig. 4 and Fig.
> > > 5 below.
>
> > > Fig. 1: a small stony meteorite, found and carved in China.http://www..wretch.cc/album/show.php...76941064&p=131
>
> > > Fig.2 : 60X micrograph showing many blood vessel remains on meteoritehttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176935627&p=132
>
> > > Fig. 3: shows 200X blood vessel remains articulated to meteoritehttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176935632&p=133
>
> > > Fig. 4: shows 700X blood cell remains in blood vessel remains on the
> > > meteoritehttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176935633&p=134
>
> > > Fig. 5: shows more 700X blood cell remains in BV on the meteoritehttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176935634&p=135
>
> > > Note 1: The following Google pictures show SEM of mineral fibers at
> > > the micron level
> > > 1. asbestoshttp://tedkinsman.photoshelter.com/image/I0000nyT4TqZmPq0
> > > 2. gypsumhttp://www.westga.edu/~geosci/webdata/wgmc/Images/Gallery%20Pictures/...
>
> > > 3. Plagioclase Feldsparhttp://www.greenelectron-images.co.uk/sem/feldspar/plagioclase_twins-...
>
> > > 4.Various mineral fiberhttp://pubs.usgs.gov/of/2001/ofr-01-0429/sem1/index.html-��óQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> > > - ��ܳQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> > Added on July 21, 2010:
>
> > Final proof: Stereomicroscope shows numerous blood vessel remains at
> > 40X on carved meteorites
>
> > Yesterday I placed two sculptured meteorites under a stereomicroscope.
> > To my amazement, I found numerous fossilized remains of blood vessels
> > on the two carved meteorites. Moreover, the fossilized blood vessels
> > are visible at the lowest magnification: 40X. So, I imaged the new
> > sculptured meteorite (Fig. 2) with a digital microscope. The results
> > are shown in the following representative micrographs (Fig. 3 to Fig.
> > 7) that evidence my above claim/recommendations. The fossils belonged
> > to Martian mammals, as they contain round, concave, anucleate red
> > blood cell remains, which is a unique signature of mammals.
>
> > Fig.1: shows unique signature of mammalian red blood cellshttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949864&p=137
>
> > Fig.2: shows a new sculptured meteorite (Meteorite 9)http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?...76949874&p=138
>
> > Fig.3: shows many fossilized blood vessels at 60X on sculptured
> > Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949866&p=139
>
> > Fig.4: shows many fossilized blood vessels at 60X on sculptured
> > Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949867&p=140
>
> > Fig.5: shows many fossilized blood vessels at 60X on sculptured
> > Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949868&p=141
>
> > Fig.6: shows many fossilized blood vessels at 60X on sculptured
> > Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949869&p=142
>
> > Fig.7: shows many fossilized blood vessels at 60X on sculptured
> > Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176949871&p=143-��óQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> > - ��ܳQ�ޥΤ�r -
>
> Added on July 26, 2010:
>
> Final advice: Carve meteorites to prove blood vessel remains are not
> contaminants
>
> Some people will surely suspect the Martian mammalian blood vessel
> remains are contaminants. So, I carved six canals on the backside of
> Meteorite 9 (Fig. 1) and exposed many blood vessel remains (Fig. 2 to
> Fig. 6). The last figure (Fig. 7) shows round, concave and anucleate
> red blood cell remains of a mammal.
>
> Fig. 1: shows six canals freshly carved on the backside of Meteorite 9http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176962854&p=146
>
> Fig. 2: 60X blood vessel remains, barely visible as they lie in
> ditcheshttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176955442&p=147
>
> Fig. 3: 200X blood vessel remainshttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176955443&p=148
>
> Fig. 4: 700X blood cell remains in BV remainshttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176955445&p=149
>
> Fig. 5: 200X blood vessel remains in another spothttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176955444&p=150
>
> Fig. 6: 700X blood cell remains in BV remainshttp://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?i=lin440315&b=28&f=1176955447&p=151
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> Fig. 7: shows unfocused image of red blood cell remains of a Martian
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Added on Sept. 7, 2010:
Demonstration film on YouTube

In order to prove that almost all meteorites contain Martian mammalian
fossils, I did the following demonstration film:
Evidence for meteorite containing ET fossils--Part I
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_EPf1qZCDSE
Evidence for meteorite containing ET fossils--Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TxxsVOPz0To

Part 1 of the film shows how I randomly chose one meteorite out of 36
meteorites
and how I carved ditches into the chosen meteorite. In fact, I
purchased over 100 meteorites on internet auction sites. They all
contain mammal fossils. I displayed only 36 meteorites, partly because
they are all magnetic and show metal flecks.
The original film runs over 43 minutes, so I edited it into two parts.

Part 2 of the film show how I used a digital microscope to find and
image blood vessel remnants. To show the blood vessel remnants more
clearly, here are labelled and expanded still images from the film:

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?...76976440&p=153

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?...76976439&p=154

http://www.wretch.cc/album/show.php?...76968489&p=156

UP YOUR'S, DOCTOR HAWKING

Ed[_10_] — Tue, 07 Sep 2010 13:38:52 GMT

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Hamilton College
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The King's College, New York City, NY
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Macalester College
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Massachusetts School of Professional Psychology
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Naropa University
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Georgia
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Otterbein College
Ottawa University
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Our Lady of the Lake University
Our Lady of Holy Cross College
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Pace University
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Palmer College of Chiropractic
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Queens College
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Radford University
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Reed College
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Ringling School of Art and Design
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Rochester Institute of Technology
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Rust College
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Rutgers University-Newark
Ryokan College
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Sacred Heart University
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The Sage Colleges
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Saint Ambrose University
Saint Andrews Presbyterian College
Saint Anselm College
Saint Anthony College of Nursing
Saint Augustine's College
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Saint Cloud State University
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Astrobiology and Extremophiles in Rain

Joe Snod — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 19:12:18 GMT

Red Rain, Red Rectangle

http://www.technologyreview.com/blog/arxiv/25699/

For years, claims have circulated that red rain which fell in India in
2001, contained cells unlike any found on Earth. Now new evidence that
these cells can reproduce is about to set the debate alive

["Growth And Replication Of Red Rain Cells At 121 degrees C And Their
Red Fluorescence" (arxiv.org/abs/1008.4960)]

Panspermia is the idea that life exists throughout the universe in
comets, asteroids and interstellar dust clouds and that life of Earth
was seeded from one or more of these sources. Panspermia holds that we
are all extraterrestrials.

While this is certainly not a mainstream idea in science, a growing
body of evidence suggests that it should be carefully studied rather
than casually disregarded.

For example, various bugs have been shown to survive for months or
even years in the harsh conditions of space. And one of the more
interesting but lesser known facts about the Mars meteorite that some
scientists believe holds evidence of life on Mars, is that its
interior never rose above 50 degrees centigrade, despite being blasted
from the Martian surface by an meteor impact and surviving a fiery a
descent through Earth's thick atmosphere.

If there is life up there, this evidence suggests that it could
survive the trip to Earth.

All that seems well established. Now for the really controversial
stuff.

In 2001, numerous people observed red rain falling over Kerala in the
southern tip of India during a two month period. One of them was
Godfrey Louis, a physicist at nearby Cochin University of Science and
Technology. Intrigued by this phenomena, Louis collected numerous
samples of red rain, determined to find out what was causing the
contamination, perhaps sand or dust from some distant desert.

Under a microscope, however, he found no evidence of sand or dust.
Instead, the rain water was filled with red cells that look remarkably
like conventional bugs on Earth. What was strange was that Louis found
no evidence of DNA in these cells which would rule out most kinds of
known biological cells (red blood cells are one possibility but ought
to be destroyed quickly by rain water).

Louis published his results in the peer-reviewed journal Astrophysics
and Space in 2006, along with the tentative suggestion that the cells
could be extraterrestrial, perhaps from a comet that had disintegrated
in the upper atmosphere and then seeded clouds as the cells floated
down to Earth. In fact, Louis says there were reports in the region of
a sonic boom-type noise at the time, which could have been caused by
the disintegration of an object in the upper atmosphere.

Since then, Louis has continued to study the cells with an
international team including Chandra Wickramasinghe from the
University of Cardiff in the UK and one of the leading proponents of
the panspermia theory, which he developed in the latter half of the
20th century with the remarkable physicist Fred Hoyle.

Today Louis, Wickramasinghe and others publish some extraordinary
claims about these red cells. They say that the cells clearly
reproduce at a temperature of 121 degrees C. "Under these conditions
daughter cells appear within the original mother cells and the number
of cells in the samples increases with length of exposure to 121
degrees C," they say. By contrast, the cells are inert at room
temperature.

That makes them highly unusual, to say the least. The spores of some
extremophiles can survive these kinds of temperatures and then
reproduce at lower temperatures but nothing behaves like this at these
temperatures, as far as we know.

This is an extraordinary claim that will need to be independently
verified before it will be more broadly accepted.

And of course, this behaviour does not suggest an extraterrestrial
origin for these cells, by any means.

However, Wickramasinghe and co can't resist hinting at such an exotic
explanation. They've examined the way these fluoresce when bombarded
with light and say it is remarkably similar to various unexplained
emission spectra seen in various parts of the galaxy. One such place
is the Red Rectangle, a cloud of dust and gas around a young star in
the Monocerous constellation.

It would be fair to say that more evidence will be required before
Kerala's red rain can be satisfactorily explained. In the meantime, it
looks a fascinating mystery.

meaning of shortcut Re: using the shortcut, the boundary in pure mathbetween finite vs. infinite near 300! #901 Correcting Math; #298 ATOM TOTALITY

Archimedes Plutonium[_2_] — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 18:46:31 GMT

I have to be careful about the meaning of words like "shortcut" so
that in the future
when I pick up this post, I will have forgotten what the shortcut
stood for. The shortcut,
put bluntly is the insight that the semiperimeter of the smallest
square of a trio of squares forming a morphed triangle is larger until
the breakdown occurs at about 300!.

But here I can see why I favored the one version over the inverted
form. Since in the
one version of 1 and only 1 point of intersection as opposed by no
intersection we can
accurately keep tabs of the arc distance relative to semiperimeter.
So in the one version
we have an accurate semiperimeter tab, but in the other version we
have a better overall
understanding of the breakdown of the log spirals.

Archimedes Plutonium wrote:
> Alright, based upon the 6, 24, 120 squares I measured the pitch of the
> log-spiral
> to be in the vicinity of 60 degrees. Keeping in mind that the two
> hinges allow for
> alot of leeway.

> And it is this leeway that finally gives out in the neighborhood of
> 253! where the
> log spiral fails and breaks down.

> Now I think this problem would be far easier for a computer to solve
> where the breakdown
> actually occurs.

I may have found a shortcut of solving where the breakdown occurs. I
noticed
the distance of the log-spiral per every trio of squares that forms a
morphed
triangle of the whirling triangles.

Given the Factorial sequence of squares:

1
***1
***2
***6
***24
***120
***720
***5040
***40320
***362880
***3628800
***39916800
*.
*.
*.

With the first trio of 6, 24, 120 squares, I noticed the distance of
the arc of the log-spiral
is less than or equal to the distance of the semiperimeter of the
smallest square of 6, or
in this case a distance of 12. So that the arc distance of the log
spiral is less than 12 to
exit the morphed triangle.

In the case of the next trio of squares, the 24, 120, 720, the
semiperimeter distance of
the 24 square = 48 is greater than or equal to the distance covered
by
the log spiral arc
in that morphed triangle exiting at the gate of the 24 square.

Same thing happens at the gate of the 120 square in the trio of 120,
720, 5040.

Somehow the arc distance is slightly, ever so slightly increasing and
at some large distance
that arc distance at the gate will be greater than the semiperimeter
of the smallest of the
trio squares.

Archimedes Plutonium
http://www.iw.net/~a_plutonium/
whole entire Universe is just one big atom
where dots of the electron-dot-cloud are galaxies

A universe from hell.

Max Keon — Mon, 06 Sep 2010 08:53:44 GMT

The Zero Origin Concept (2010).

The basis of the concept is that the universe has evolved from
an origin of absolutely nothing. No matter or energy, no time or
dimension, evolving from absolute non existence. Every attempt
to comprehend the pre-universe always breaks down because there
is absolutely nothing to comprehend. However, trying to
comprehend infinity is no less a challenge. But one thing that
is certain is that (what we assume would be) infinity and a point
of (what we assume to be) zero dimension are integral parts of
our universe. Those two parameters become relative as the
universe evolves.

The initial consequence of the zero origin is that the time
required to start the ball rolling from the stationary time rate
of non existence is an eternity. The universe, right from the
infinitesimally minute origin, has always been of infinite
proportions.

In order to create the very first signs of existence, there would
need to have been some disturbance which disrupted the "state"
of non existence. Non existence can be considered a state because
it became relative to existence the instant time began. Whatever
the cause of the initial disturbance it cannot possibly be
explained, but due to its infinitesimally minor origin it's
infinitely more logical than any theory that requires some kind
of eternally existing stuff of indeterminate origin as the base
on which to build a universe. Such a theory exists on an astral
plane with nothing whatever supporting it.

Prior to the initial disturbance, "before" the beginning of time,
the state of non existence was necessarily in absolute balance.
The initial disturbance was necessarily drawn from that absolute
balance equally to "either side" of non existence. The only
possible "sides" are necessarily absolute opposites, creating
some kind of direction and dimension for them to be relative in,
with the non existent state as the focal point to which they
would both need to be returned to remove the imbalance. The
origin of the universe could only stem from the one initial
disturbance. Multiple disturbances would need to be relative to
each other in some kind of dimension that would not yet exist,
and that would be impossible.

The fact that the universe has evolved beyond the one
disturbance is proof that the initial disturbance was not
annulled, but has carried on to generate countless other
disturbances of the same nature. Each being the origin of its
own past universe.

Figure (1) of the next image represents one side of the
disturbance, being the negative dimension, which is leaving the
past behind in a lesser dimension than its infinite origin in
the present. Figure (2) represents the other side of the
disturbance, the positive dimension, which is leaving the past
behind in a greater dimension than its point origin in the
present. Each of these forces will always remain the origin of
their respective past dimensions.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/start.jpg

The origin of the positive dimension is a point, while the origin
of the negative dimension is infinity. If the two realms are
overlaid on each other, as in diagram (3), time distances between
the dimensional origins appear to reduce any relationship between
the disturbances to zero. But that's not so at all. The origin
of each dimension is the same non existent state from which they
are equally drawn into opposite dimensions. They are drawn to
each other through the window of non existence in the quest to
combine with their counterpart on the other side in an attempt
to reset the balance and return from whence they came. But that
attraction direction is false. The imbalance is maintained by
this false attraction, forever. The only way back to non
existence is for them to be infinitely separated. Only then would
they cease to exist.

If the origin of the positive dimension is a point, so too is
the origin of the negative dimension as seen from the positive
dimension. If the origin of the negative dimension is infinity,
so too is the origin of the positive dimension from the viewpoint
in the negative dimension.

Specifying zero size or infinite size for the origins of
dimension is illogical. The dimensions which extend from those
points are designating them a zero and infinite size, but neither
can exist in *any* kind of dimension. They are always the origin
of their own dimension, in the present, with their direction
being defined from the past.

Because the positive side of the disturbance in one pair is
constantly advancing into the negative dimension in pursuit of
it's counterpart, while still remaining the origin of the past
dimension that it's creating, it's leaving the past behind at
the speed at which it's advancing, and nothing else will ever
enter its past dimension because the same laws will also apply
for everything else that exists as well. Everything will be
drawing away from everything else at the rate of advance into
the negative dimension, which is the speed of light at the time.
But the negative side of the disturbance is also drawing from
non existence at the same rate, but into the positive dimension,
which is in the opposite direction to the positive side of the
disturbance. The focal point of the charge force relationship,
being the non existent state, is simultaneously carried in
opposite directions. The positive and negative past dimensions
are necessarily still retreating from that relationship at the
speed of light, but the focal point in the relationship is now
generally fixed relative to anything else that could likewise
exist.

The origins of the two dimensions are seen as point size from
the viewpoint in the past of the positive dimension, and as
infinity from the viewpoint in the past of the negative
dimension. Both views are absolutely separated from the present.
The false directions of attraction are inward beyond a point and
outward beyond the absolute maximum size respectively. But from
each side, the view through the window of non existence to the
other side would be reversed. THAT'S WHAT NEGATIVE MEANS. It's
clearly not going to be unaffected. The inward attraction
direction in the positive dimension is reversed to point outward
when it enters the negative realm, and vice versa from the
negative viewpoint. To put it another way; from the viewpoint in
the positive dimension the pasts in the two dimensions both
extend outward as one combined dimension, and from the viewpoint
in the negative dimension the pasts in the two dimensions both
extend inward as one combined dimension.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/pos-neg.jpg

The direction of the *global* advance toward the future shown in
diagram (1) is inward, into a negative dimension, while the
advance shown in diagram (2) is outward from the negative origin,
which (correctly) sets the past in a negative dimension. The
positive origin of dimension is globally drawing away from all
else in the universe at the current rate of existence, or speed
of light, while the negative origin is globally advancing toward
all else at the same rate.

The three dimensions of the universe don't exist just because
they do. If there were 4, or 2, we would accept that fact without
question. But the question still remains, and there must always
be a reason for everything. "Well, that's how it is." is no
reason. Why does light from a point source diverge in two lateral
dimensions around its line of propagation? Why does all matter
in the universe exist in three dimensions?

How did the big bang universe get to have three dimensions?

The e- and e+ charges which are labeled electron and positron
are the two sides of the disturbance. They are each the origin
of their own dimension and are both point sized in the positive
dimension. Electrons and positrons fill the roles of the opposite
sides of the disturbance with a precision that is far too precise
to be coincidence. But I can't attach the label of electron or
positron to either side because I have no idea which is which,
but every one of them is the focal point of its very own part of
the universe.

Currently accepted theory is that when a pair of electrons and
positrons are drawn together they are converted to E/M energy
and completely removed from existence, which falsifies this
theory if true. But the fact that they can both be resurrected
out of nowhere by an E/M packet carrying the same or greater
energy than the combined pair is fairly conclusive evidence that
it's not true at all. How can E/M radiation possibly know how to
make an electron or positron? How does it determine how much
charge goes into each before the creation process turns off,
leaving any excess radiation to carry on as normal? How can it
possible carry that kind of information?

Apart from the background radiation (CMBR), all that we can
perceive of the past universe, was in a fairly advanced state of
evolution at the time. That applies even if the radiation from
those stars is barely distinguishable from the CMBR. The
frequency spectrum generated by the stars in that era is still a
long way from 0 hz, and the proportionality between the speed of
light, time and everything else in that realm would still be as
it is today. A static recording of every electromagnetic
interaction at the time was left behind with the *stationary*
past. The static recording continues to coincide with the moving
present today, and it of course appears to be redshifted. But
that's only because the current universe is blueshifted relative
to then.

There is no expansion in the zero origin universe. It has evolved
from zero temperature to what it is today. What is interpreted
as redshift is the actual temperature of everything in the
universe at the time.

We can only perceive the present from a viewpoint in the past
because the only mechanism by which we can view anything, extends
into dimension, regardless of which dimension the view is taken
from.

Light is always in motion relative to matter, or matter is always
in motion relative to light. Both statements may be true, but
the latter is the reality. Light only exists as a static
recording in the past, until matter comes along and interacts
with it. The question of how light propagates doesn't even arise.

As the universe evolves, the increasing e- and e+ charge
attractions draw them into a deeper void of dimension, drawing
away from their immediate pasts at an ever increasing rate. There
is no limit to how deep that void can go. The depth of dimension
is increasing, but there's no expansion. The rate of attraction
into each opposite dimension, sets the depth of past dimension
in its own void. If that depth is increased, so too is the rate
at which it advances into the future. Nothing really changes.

The apparent expansion rate of the big bang universe is specified
by the Hubble constant. It gives the expansion rate as around
74000 m/sec per Mpc. 1 parsec is the distance that light will
travel in 3.26 years, so 1 Mpc is the distance that light travels
in 3260000 years. Since the speed of light is presumed to have
been constant throughout the expansion, the visible limit of the
universe is; 3e8 / 74000 = 4054 Mpc, which is 4054 * 3260000
= 13.2 billion light years. At that distance in the past from
every observation point in the universe, the expansion rate has
reached the speed at which the light from that era is moving
outward toward all observers, wherever in the universe they may
be, and can never reach them.

But that's not how it works in the zero origin universe. The
visible limit to the universe is determined by its rate of
evolution, which is currently setting infinity at around 13
billion light years, as measured at the current speed of light,
which is the rate at which the two opposites are drawn into each
other's dimension. The Hubble Constant gives the expansion rate
as 74000 m/sec per Mpc in time, but that represents a *light
speed increase* of 74000 m/sec per Mpc in the zero origin
universe.

If the current rate of evolution was almost absolute zero,
i.e. a near zero Hubble Constant, the visible limit of the
universe would appear to be infinity, and we would be fried by
the background radiation.

Back in the real universe, the difference between a 1
light-second length today and an equivalent 1 light-second length
in the early universe is enormous. e.g. It takes 1 second to
cover 3e+8 meters today, while it took 1 second to cover a 1
meter length at the time when the speed of light was 1 m/sec,
relative to now. According to our time rate, 3e+8 meters back
then is still 1 meter. Infinity becomes near zero distance to us
back when the speed of light was almost zero, very close to the
origin of the universe. The observation will always be relative.

The ultimate goal of the zero origin universe is an instantaneous
evolution rate and a zero visible limit for dimension, where zero
dimension and infinite dimension will, very wrongly, coincide.
But that goal will always remain an eternity away, so long as
that observation is made from within the current realm at the
time. From our viewpoint now, progress toward that goal would
exponentially increase. That's how the current rate of evolution
would be observed from a viewpoint in what was the very early
universe, on the very edge of what we perceive as the visible
limit.
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As the universe evolves, everything that exists is being slowly
but surely drawn into a deepening void of dimension, where both
the speed of light and time increase. They are one and the same.

The evolving universe is perhaps progressing toward singularities
everywhere. Within each singularity, everything that exists (in
the matter world) would be housed within an instantaneously
infinite dimension. So there is room for infinite numbers of
singularities to develop within the immediately infinite space,
everywhere, and they will all be absolutely removed from each
other.

The above paragraph is wrong. There can be only one universe
because from the viewpoint taken from anywhere in the current
universe, the infinite limit of the entire universe is housed
within what we perceive as the 13 billion light year visible
limit of dimension. It's always the same universe.

Whatever the case, the development direction is certain.
Everything that exists is on a one way journey into an ever
deepening turmoil, for eternity. And there is no way out. The
zero origin universe is truly the universe from hell.

Life is hope, so long as there's not too much of it.

http://members.optusnet.com.au/maxkeon/populat.html

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Max Keon

Re: Hawking does it again

TMA[_11_] — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 19:32:31 GMT

" I have become death-destroyer of worlds"

"Joe Snod" > wrote in message
...
> Book review: 'Grand Design' by Hawking and Mlodinow
>
> http://tinyurl.com/26ur966
>
> The first sentence of this article is "Robert Oppenheimer was fond of
> proposing that physics and poetry were becoming indistinguishable."
>
> Does anybody know when or where Oppie said that, and whether it was
> written down?
>
>
>

The god of the gaps

Yousuf Khan[_2_] — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:53:44 GMT

Religious people often feel tricked by this logic. They envisage a
miracle-working God dwelling within the stream of time for all eternity
and then, for some inscrutable reason, making a universe.

That was not Augustine's God, who transcended both space and time. Nor
is it the God favoured by many contemporary theologians. In fact, they
long ago coined a term for it - ''god of the gaps'' - to deride the idea
that when science leaves something out of account, then God should be
invoked to plug the gap.

***

Behind big bang swirls mystery of the big gap
"The favoured view now, and the one Hawking shares, is that there were
in fact many bangs, scattered through space and time, and many universes
emerging therefrom, all perfectly naturally. The entire assemblage goes
by the name of the multiverse.

Our universe is just one infinitesimal component amid this vast -
probably infinite - multiverse, that itself had no origin in time. So
according to this new cosmological theory, there was something before
the big bang after all - a region of the multiverse pregnant with
universe-sprouting potential.

The multiverse comes with a lot of baggage, such as an overarching space
and time to host all those bangs, a universe-generating mechanism to
trigger them, physical fields to populate the universes with material
stuff, and a selection of forces to make things happen.

Cosmologists embrace these features by envisaging sweeping ''meta-laws''
that pervade the multiverse and spawn specific bylaws on a
universe-by-universe basis.

The meta-laws themselves remain unexplained - eternal, immutable
transcendent entities that just happen to exist and must simply be
accepted as given. In that respect the meta-laws have a similar status
to an unexplained transcendent god."
http://www.theage.com.au/entertainme...904-14vdu.html

Re: Hawking does it again

jwarner1 — Sun, 05 Sep 2010 04:22:10 GMT

Joe Snod wrote:

> Book review: 'Grand Design' by Hawking and Mlodinow
>
> http://tinyurl.com/26ur966
>
> The first sentence of this article is "Robert Oppenheimer was fond of
> proposing that physics and poetry were becoming indistinguishable."
>
> Does anybody know when or where Oppie said that, and whether it was
> written down?

Does it matter and how does it matter except as historical anecdote,
which most people will only go on to misstate and inssinterpret! Poster
below, John" says
Oppy never said that, which I find funny. I could cite my personal
exposure -
maybe John can state what is leading his statement? These things get so
convoluted
and arguementative Im not sure its worth spending time on ... vrs getting
a fourth job to pay for your health care under the Obamma Anarchy?

So, my suggestion is you direct the same question at the liofe of
Geromino!
You might get less controversial more productive results ...

I spent time with Oppy but will say no more. I want to hear about
Geronimo's astro ontology!

Good luck -