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Warning just got "Norton" virus

bert — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 19:14:10 GMT

Same as Antiivir Solutions Covered screen with "IS YOUR COMPUTER
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Face On Mars

HVAC[_2_] — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 18:41:28 GMT

http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...est=latestnews

--
Did you know the word "gullible" doesn't appear in any dictionary?

Re: Update on Arizona situation

Warhol[_1_] — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 16:31:51 GMT

from Arizona Didcovery Guide by D and B Martin: Indians...in a village
they called Stjukshon (Stook-shon)....means "blue water at the base of
a black mountain". The Spanish altered it to Tucson.....pronounced TUK-
son. Anyone here know how it degraded to Too-son???

Phoenix + Tucson = PHUSCON!!!!

urban sprawl has a created a situation that pretty soon phoenix and
tucson will be the SAME city! It will be called PHUSCON!!

Why in the world would anyone want to leave the ocean for the desert?

That would make it Conphuscon.

On Jul 24, 10:04*pm, Saul Levy > wrote:
> GOOFY****HEAD IS BLOWING IT OUT HIS ASS, PIG********!
>
> My messages have not TAKEN ANY LULL!
>
> I warned you not to quote GOOFY'S **** here!
>
> But YOU ARE AN IDIOT!
>
> Saul Levy
>
> On Sat, 24 Jul 2010 11:03:00 -0700 (PDT), Warhol >
> wrote:
>
> >On Jul 24, 7:47*pm, Brad Guth > wrote:
> >> On Jul 22, 3:37*pm, Warhol > wrote:
>
> >> More than likely our rabbi Saul Levy had something to do with it,
> >> because he likes to see unnecessary suffering and needless death.
> >> Come to think about it, there was a sufficient lull on his posting to
> >> our alt.astronomy newsgroup as of shortly before that dam broke open.
>
> >> I wondering if our rabbi Saul Levy can otherwise account for his
> >> whereabouts.
>
> >> *~ BG
>
> >Strange stuff indeed.

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Tax Health Benefits

HVAC[_2_] — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 12:49:24 GMT

Thanks to all our senators and reps

For those still employed & with health ins.

Subject: tax info

Surprise! Surprise!

One of the surprises we'll find come next year, is what follows - - a little
"surprise" that 99% of us had no idea was included in the "new and
improved" healthcare legislation . . . the dupes, er, dopes, who backed
this administration will be astonished!

Starting in 2011, (next year, folks), your W-2 tax form sent by your
employer will be increased to show the value of whatever health insurance
you are given by the company. It does not matter if that's a private concern
or governmental body of some sort. If you're retired?
So what; your gross will go up by the amount of insurance you get.

You will be required to pay taxes on a large sum of money that you have
never seen. Take your tax form you just finished and see what $15,000 or
$20,000 additional gross income does to your tax debt. That's what you'll
pay next year. For many, it also puts you into a new higher bracket so it's
even worse.

This is how the government is going to buy insurance for the15% that don't
have insurance and it's only part of the tax increases.

Not believin g this? Here is a research of the summaries...

On page 25 of 29: TITLE IX REVENUE PROVISIONS- SUBTITLE A: REVENUE OFFSET
PROVISIONS-(sec. 9001, as modified by sec. 10901) Sec.9002 "requires
employers to include in the W-2 form of each employee the aggregate cost of
applicable employer sponsored group health coverage that is excludable from
the employees gross income."

Joan Pryde is the senior tax editor for the Kiplinger letters. Go to
Kiplingers and read about 13 tax changes that could affect you. Number 3 is
what is above.

Why am I sending you this? The same reason I hope you forward this to every
single person in your address book.

Please do NOT forget to THANK your Congress people who Voted for it!

"a new cosmology"

fitz — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 11:26:21 GMT

"a new cosmology"

Fitzpatrick offers us a new cosmology that solves a lot of problems:

We know something epochal happened 10 to 15 billion years ago because
of the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation (CMBR).

(click link):

http://www.amperefitz.com/fitzcos.htm

Science!

God's new methods for humans to become god-like

Wretch Fossil — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:58:40 GMT

God's new methods for humans to become god-like:

1. Do not think unless it's absolutely necessary.
2. Think no dark or evil thoughts.

God's new methods for humans to become god-like

Wretch Fossil — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:33:28 GMT

God's new methods for humans to become god-like:

1. Do not think unless it's absolutely necessary.
2. Think no dark or evil thoughts.

God's new methods for humans to become god-like

Wretch Fossil — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:33:28 GMT

God's new methods for humans to become god-like:

1. Do not think unless it's absolutely necessary.
2. Think no dark or evil thoughts.

Hell's God Planet of Wikipedia

Painius — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 06:11:15 GMT

Pluto was the Roman god of the underworld; to the
ancient Greeks this god was known as Hades...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pluto

The little British girl who came up with "Pluto" said
that she considered the name to be appropriate for
such a dark and cold world.

Looks like we have a spacecraft, New Horizons, we
have sent directly to "hell"...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Horizons

Say it with me, people...

"Go to hell, New Horizons!"

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get
run over if you just sit there."
> Will Rogers

P.P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth

Re: NASA missed the ball completely

Brad Guth[_3_] — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:20:37 GMT

On Jul 26, 4:04*am, William Mook > wrote:
> More detail about the Defense Budgethttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCJl-ZbHOYc

Are you at least willing to admit that the cold war and space race was
essentially a mutually perpetrated ruse, for reasons of government job
security and profits?

~ BG

Re: NASA missed the ball completely

Brad Guth[_3_] — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 05:14:53 GMT

On Jul 26, 4:01*am, William Mook > wrote:
> On Jul 25, 3:04*pm, Brad Guth > wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 24, 9:21*pm, William Mook > wrote:
>
> > > 220 GW laser powering a 50 km/sec exhaust speed can energize about
> > > 0.17 metric ton per second which produces 8.8 MN (897.7 MT) *Operating
> > > at 1.3 Gee TOW of a SSTO RLV would be 690 MT. *116 MT would be
> > > propellant. *74 MT would be structure. *500 MT would be payload.
>
> > > 220 GW laser powering a 500 km/sec exhaust speed can energize 0.0017
> > > metric tons per second which produces 0.88 MN (89.77 MT). *Operating
> > > at 0.18 gee (approx 1/6 gee = 1 lunar gee) the 616 MT structure
> > > burning through 200 MT of propellant would impart 196.2 km/sec to 300
> > > MT payload.
>
> > > A constant 1/6th gee thrust requires 30.9 hours and traverses 10.9
> > > million km. *So, spending half our time accelerating and half our time
> > > slowing down cuts nearly 11 million km out of interplanetary travel.
> > > At 98.1 km/sec the ship traverses 8.3 million km per day - in nearly a
> > > straight line. * So, sending 300 metric tons around the solar system
> > > can be done in about the same periods of time it takes to send cargo
> > > around Earth's oceans by super tanker and container ship
>
> > > * *Mercury *- Inferior Conjunction: *12 days * Superior Conjunction:
> > > 24 days
> > > * *Venus * * - Inferior Conjunction: * 5 days * Superior Conjunction:
> > > 31 days
> > > * *Mars: * * * Conjunction * * * * * * *46 days
> > > Opposition: * * * * * * * * 10 days
>
> > > With 15 hours of boost at each end.
>
> > > A trip to the Moon only 362,000 km away at 0.18 gee takes 11 hours of
> > > constant thrust and requires only 67.2 km/sec delta vee (total) *So, a
> > > ship could take 355 MT to the moon AND BACK without refueling EACH
> > > DAY! *A one way trip with refueling would increase this to 422 MT.
> > > 400 MT can be taken one way with return of the empty vehicle.
>
> > > All in less than 22 hours - with 3 hour turn around - the same ship
> > > could be ready to go again. *With 27 hours turn around a fleet of two
> > > ships would provide direct daily flights to the moon. *A fleet of 6
> > > ships with 27 hour turn around would provide direct flight to the moon
> > > and back every 8 hours. * This is enough to sustain 220,000 people on
> > > the moon, even if they consumes 1 ton per year of materials from
> > > Earth. *Of course as population grows and resources are developed on
> > > the moon, this rate is reduced to perhaps 1/3 ton per year per
> > > person. *Then population grows to exceed 500,000 - even with this
> > > limited fleet.
>
> > > This would be 6 of the 10 ships mentioned in the previous post. * The
> > > other four would provide flights to LEO every day where they would
> > > wait on orbit (at a rather sizeable space station) for returning
> > > ships. *There would be 20 ships traversing the solar system as
> > > desired, round trip flight times would be 46 days or less - averaging
> > > 25 - the number of ships - and the four SSTO launchers each putting up
> > > 500 MT would feed the low gee ships on orbit with propellant (200
> > > tons) and payload (300 tons) *As in the case of the lunar operations,
> > > one way freighter flights carry more than round trip passenger
> > > flights, and refueling at the distant port always helps.
>
> > > 300 tons per day divided among Mercury Venus and Mars - is 100 tons
> > > per day - enough to sustain 35,000 people on each of these worlds if
> > > equally divided. *Allocating more to Mars due to longer flight times
> > > most of the year, population there rises to 50,000 with 35,000 on
> > > Venus and 15,000 on Mercury - and 220,000 on the Moon.
>
> > > With this modified fleet.
>
> > > * *LEO - 1,000,000* (direct - over 3 billion telepresence)
> > > * *Luna - * 220,000
> > > * *Mars - * * 50,000
> > > * *Venus - * 35,000 (floating city)
> > > * *Mercury * 15,000
> > > * *Asteroids * 1,500
>
> > > In other words with 30 laser satellite pairs spread through the solar
> > > system we could power cities on the Moon, Mars and Mercury, and
> > > floating cities on Venus, as well as outposts throughout the asteroid
> > > belt. *With the fleet of 35 flight elements, originally powered by LOX/
> > > LH2 with RS-68 pumps and aerospike engine - we can quickly and easily
> > > sustain substantial travel throughout the inner solar system and
> > > place
>
> > > Revenue streams include;
>
> > > * * *$85 billion per year - comsat revenue - build energy
> > > infrastructure
> > > *$3,000 billion per year - energy revenue - build factories and
> > > asteroid recovery ops
> > > $20,000 billion per year - product revenue - build 'everyone a
> > > billionaire' ops
>
> > > Over 12 years - the first four $340 billion - to build out the
> > > satellites and fleet
> > > * * * * * * * * * * *- the last eight $24,000 billion - to build out
> > > the cities towns outposts and factories in space
>
> > There's no question that Mook energy and that of its applied fly-by-
> > fission rockets are the way to go. *Problem is, you're not in charge
> > of anything that matters, and you're certainly not on any short-list
> > of who might be put in charge by way of government or private
> > industry.
>
> > In theory, within your master plan of action, we'd all become
> > billionaires of Earth within a couple decades at most, and then we'd
> > be on our way to distant moons and collecting asteroids. *Is this why
> > that past decade of Mook's life has been in neutral or coasting?
>
> > Are you expecting those Semite Rothschilds in charge of their private
> > Federal Reserve Bank to fork over that box of blank checks?
>
> > Are you expecting the general public to write you in as their next
> > President?
>
> > Since no one can possibly help Mook; *how about Mook helping others
> > without your taking over and/or making mountains out of molehills?
>
> > *~ BG
>
> Brad,
>
> You are letting your emotions drive your thought process and letting
> those emotions fool you into believing everything you say makes
> sense. *Reality is quite the reverse. *You are being emotional
> illogical and as a result make very little sense. *Please consider the
> possibility that our systems cannot work the way we believe they work
> and as a result fail miserably.
>
> These sorts of failures take time. *Building replacement systems take
> time. *Time we might not be able to afford to spend. *So, we may
> fail. *But as Jacob Brownowski said famously in one of his ASCENT OF
> MAN series - humanity has a right to change its color to yellow or
> brown or black. *There is no reason to expect Western culture will
> dominate the future history of humanity.
>
> So, we are failing, despite the fact the way is clear to folks like
> me.
>
> I am not responsible for the failure, and my failure to get my
> programs adopted generally in a failing culture are no reflection on
> me or my capabilities.
>
> The propensity toward personal attack is a hall mark of a failing
> culture. *You are product of that failing culture Brad. *A growing
> vital culture would have taken a young man as interested and excited
> about the future as you and used that to advance things. *It did not.
> The same can be said for millions of our generation.
>
> A failed political and economic systemhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=istE1bpoDPg
>
> Causes us to overspend on defense the same way Easter islanders
> overspent on massive iconshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YON9n0pHNws
>
> Which resulted in us losing our shirtshttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZYuK0iJqpNA

But if the past(history) can never be revised to tell the best
available truths, and thereby those responsible for previous
atrocities and mistakes are forever kept in authority, then what can
Mook or Einstein possibly do to fix anything?

~ BG

Re: Interview with Story Musgrave, Space Shuttle Astronaut (Air&SpaceMag)

Frank Robertson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 03:00:35 GMT

On Jul 27, 5:35*am, Pat Flannery > wrote:
> On 7/26/2010 9:55 PM, G. L. Bradford wrote:
>
> > You say "totalitarian." Well, the USSR DID upstage us because a
> > DICTATORSHIP can commandeer public funds at will, without public
> > support. I've heard the USSR spent up to 90% of its GNP on defense
> > (one reason they were non-competitive, in the long run, in the attempt
> > at the moon).
>
> Although it probably wasn't that bad, it certainly was a lot higher
> proportion of USSR GDP than the US - which is spectacular enough; right
> around 24% currently.
> As Hitler figured out, you can blow your economy right through the roof
> be throwing vast amounts of money at "National Defense", as it's
> constantly getting obsolete and needs updating...and your populace will
> be far more ready to save their nation by building the world's best
> fighter plane than spending billions to come up with a way to save five
> MPG in average car gas consumption...even though that would save them
> more money in a personal sense in the long run.
>
> Pat

I appreciate your common interests with me, even though refeneces to
the USSR as "not being that bad" and implying the US (Though not so
direclty implicating the USSR) is like Hitler when it dares have a
military, are marks of a typically misinformed or head-in-the-sand
liberal. It does not matter how much bad facts about America's enemies
are exposed...liberals are sure the problem is AMERICA and
conservative thinking is always labelled as HItleresque! nothing could
be further rfrorm the truth,. But we probably agreeon space.

Re: Interview with Story Musgrave, Space Shuttle Astronaut (Air&SpaceMag)

Frank Robertson — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 02:48:31 GMT

On Jul 27, 3:00*pm, spudnik > wrote:
> first step is somewhat negative:
> stop the last bailout of Wall St. and "the City" by cap&trade
> (exhonerate Rep. Ringell), and
> put a tariff on imported forms of renewable ernergy
> (including "petroleum" and LNG).
>
> thus:
> waves don't have velocity; only (undirected) speed. *although,
> a "photon" or other corpuscle could have a direction. *I guess that
> Fizeau showed that the speed of light waves could depend
> upon the velocity of the *medium*, though -- some thing
> that eluded me til this moment. *(however,
> I am not saying that the cosmical redshift is doppleroid .-)
>
> I already gave the cite of M&M, where they give their "velocity
> of or w.r.t. the aether" or not-null resultage.
>
> thus:
> I do recommend tripolars, to set-up the problem.
>
> > UTM is not needed here. No geodesics required at this time.
> > I'm just trying to find a coord system or method that allows me to
> > position my view at each station to determine alt/az from the two
> > stations of two points on the path of an event, start and end.
>
> thus:
> although one is primary, is it ever considered, a proper divisor?
>
> > A number is prime if and only if it have two divisors.
>
> --les ducs d'oil!http://tarpley.net/online-books/geor...rized-biograph...
>
> --Light, A History!http://wlym.com/~animations/fermat/index.html

on "flybys" rather than landings, would be easy to
> sell to the public.
>
> "I wonder myself if just flying around and not landing anywhere would
> be very attractive," he said.
POSTED AGAIN...GOOGLE TROUBLE

You fail to mention that Obama, and the Dems of recent decades, as
well as the Republicanss, all fail to provide major funding for space.

Oh! The Washington Post and Joel Achenbach! THAT brings back mamories!

OF course, quoting the Post is just a notch above using MSNBC as your
source. The Post is sure to give Obama's insufficient funding for
space a postive review, and paint darkly anything a Republican does.

But Joel Achenbach! I used to read his column in the "Tropic" Magazine
that used to be published by the liberal rag, The Miami Herald! Great
writer, though of course, liberal to the hilt. He one time said, I
used to think every man deserves pizza [including death row inmates,
etc.], but...' then he made a possible exception for a couple he knew
that ran their own private liquor club in their own home, because of
what or how they charged for drinks. (He did a piece on his stint as a
pizza delivery driver.)

He did a piece on either "The Hot Zone" or the same subject matter
that that book coverered. Very excellent, dismal-view writer. He knew
how to get you down in the dumps, right where he was! But always
fascinating reading!

He did a piece on "happiness" one time. He checked with people of
various walks of life and religions. His most useful conclusion was
that all those who claimed they really had found happiness always said
it had something to do with God. As a liberal, he's probably still
searching. But at least he stumbled on something that one time that
might remain in his head and help him, eventually.

Ecliptic of Wikipedia

Painius — Fri, 30 Jul 2010 01:00:12 GMT

The plane of Earth's orbit around the Sun...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecliptic

happy days and...
starry starry nights!

--
Indelibly yours,
Paine Ellsworth

P.S.: "Even if you're on the right track, you'll get
run over if you just sit there."
> Will Rogers

P.P.S.: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Paine_Ellsworth