Falcon 9 and Apollo/Soyuz

[blart]

So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?

Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?

Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style reuseable,
or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative heat shield
(phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight has paid for
itself at 1M apiece.

cheers

[Brian Gaff]

I'd imagine advertisers might be the first customers of this at the price,
it would certainly be competitive as far as advertising budgets go!

Send a banner into space, anyone? Pepsi? Coca-Cola?

:-)

Brian

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"blart" > wrote in message
...
> So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
> apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?
>
> Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
> The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?
>
> Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style
> reuseable, or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative
> heat shield (phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight
> has paid for itself at 1M apiece.
>
> cheers
>
>

[JazzMan]

blart wrote:
>
> So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
> apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?
>
> Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
> The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?
>
> Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style reuseable,
> or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative heat shield
> (phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight has paid for
> itself at 1M apiece.
>
> cheers


I seriously doubt that this price is for a man-rated version.

JazzMan
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[blart]

The price(s) is(are) for ~10 tonnes, or 25 tonnes.
No mention of what you do with those tonnes ;)

"JazzMan" > wrote in message
...
> blart wrote:
>>
>> So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
>> apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?
>>
>> Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
>> The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?
>>
>> Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style
>> reuseable,
>> or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative heat shield
>> (phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight has paid
>> for
>> itself at 1M apiece.
>>
>> cheers
>
>
> I seriously doubt that this price is for a man-rated version.
>
> JazzMan
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[JazzMan]

That's an interesting question. Liability insurance costs aside
for launching a person on a non-man rated rocket, are these things
regulated? Does a company have to get a permit to launch something
to orbit? I assume if so it varies from country to country as to
the details. Do the astronaughts have to get a special endorsement
on their FL driver's licenses? LOL!

JazzMan

blart wrote:
>
> The price(s) is(are) for ~10 tonnes, or 25 tonnes.
> No mention of what you do with those tonnes ;)
>
> "JazzMan" > wrote in message
> ...
> > blart wrote:
> >>
> >> So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
> >> apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?
> >>
> >> Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
> >> The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?
> >>
> >> Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style
> >> reuseable,
> >> or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative heat shield
> >> (phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight has paid
> >> for
> >> itself at 1M apiece.
> >>
> >> cheers
> >
> >
> > I seriously doubt that this price is for a man-rated version.
> >


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[blart]

that would probably need to be directed to the moderated groups, or the
policy group.

There are bound to be some regs to disallow anyone other than military or
NASA or American Corporations.

"JazzMan" > wrote in message
...
> That's an interesting question. Liability insurance costs aside
> for launching a person on a non-man rated rocket, are these things
> regulated? Does a company have to get a permit to launch something
> to orbit? I assume if so it varies from country to country as to
> the details. Do the astronaughts have to get a special endorsement
> on their FL driver's licenses? LOL!
>
> JazzMan
>
> blart wrote:
>>
>> The price(s) is(are) for ~10 tonnes, or 25 tonnes.
>> No mention of what you do with those tonnes ;)
>>
>> "JazzMan" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > blart wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So who is going to be the first to use a Falcon 9, in conjunction with
>> >> apollo (or soyuz!) capsule, to get space tourism off the ground?
>> >>
>> >> Costs are approx 30M per flight, for 9.5 tonnes (21000lbs)
>> >> The heavy can get 25 tonnes (55000lbs) into leo for ~40M ?
>> >>
>> >> Surely this is enough lift capacity for a scaled composites style
>> >> reuseable,
>> >> or a rocketplane style 'lear jet' with nonreuseable abalative heat
>> >> shield
>> >> (phenolic? balsa wood???) With 40 paying customers the flight has paid
>> >> for
>> >> itself at 1M apiece.
>> >>
>> >> cheers
>> >
>> >
>> > I seriously doubt that this price is for a man-rated version.
>> >
>
>
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[Herb Schaltegger]

On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 22:34:47 -0500, JazzMan wrote
(in article >):

> That's an interesting question. Liability insurance costs aside
> for launching a person on a non-man rated rocket, are these things
> regulated?

In the United States, yes:

Office of Commercial Space Transportation:
<http://ast.faa.gov/>


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