A question about non-tethered EVA risk.

[Sal Bruno]

It has been stated that there are no guidelines or plans with respect
to an 'over-the-side' or non-tethered EVA to inspect the RCC leading
edge.

But, given the ability of the Shuttle to very accurately manouvre
itself, is an unthethered EVA really that much more dangerous than a
regular EVA as it would seem?

If an untethered astronaut were in the payload bay, could not the
Shuttle handle navigating downwards, then backwards, then leftwards,
then upwards, allowing close observation? And then performing these
navigations in reverse, having the astronaut come back in contact with
the payload bay?

The concept of untethered EVA sound distressingly risky, but unless
the Shuttle suffered a navigational thruster failure, it would
essentially be no more complicated than an ISS docking, would it not?

Thanks.

[Brian Gaff]

Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross hatch with
co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?

Brian

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[Andrew Gray]

In article >, Brian Gaff wrote:
> Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross hatch with
> co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?

Offhand guess: you'd really not want to do that, as the paint could
cause nontrivial problems on re-entry, when it starts flaking and
potentially contributing to abrading or thermally damaging the TPS,
plus any subsequent (probably minor) aerodynamic effects.

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[Kegwasher]

Andrew Gray wrote:

> In article >, Brian Gaff wrote:
>> Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross hatch with
>> co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?
>
> Offhand guess: you'd really not want to do that, as the paint could
> cause nontrivial problems on re-entry, when it starts flaking and
> potentially contributing to abrading or thermally damaging the TPS,
> plus any subsequent (probably minor) aerodynamic effects.
>
What about the stuff between the tiles? Could that be a different colour
than the tiles?

[OM]

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:46:38 +0200, Kegwasher >
wrote:

>Andrew Gray wrote:
>
>> In article >, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>> Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross hatch with
>>> co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?
>>
>> Offhand guess: you'd really not want to do that, as the paint could
>> cause nontrivial problems on re-entry, when it starts flaking and
>> potentially contributing to abrading or thermally damaging the TPS,
>> plus any subsequent (probably minor) aerodynamic effects.
>>
>What about the stuff between the tiles? Could that be a different colour
>than the tiles?

....Oh hell, just color code the tiles different shades of black :-)


OM

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[Kegwasher]

OM wrote:

> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:46:38 +0200, Kegwasher >
> wrote:
>
>>Andrew Gray wrote:
>>
>>> In article >, Brian Gaff wrote:
>>>> Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross hatch
>>>> with co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?
>>>
>>> Offhand guess: you'd really not want to do that, as the paint could
>>> cause nontrivial problems on re-entry, when it starts flaking and
>>> potentially contributing to abrading or thermally damaging the TPS,
>>> plus any subsequent (probably minor) aerodynamic effects.
>>>
>>What about the stuff between the tiles? Could that be a different colour
>>than the tiles?
>
> ...Oh hell, just color code the tiles different shades of black :-)
>
>
> OM
>
I see a red door and I want it painted black
No colours anymore, I want them to turn black

sorry, could not resist.

[Jorge R. Frank]

Kegwasher > wrote in
:

> OM wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 18:46:38 +0200, Kegwasher >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Andrew Gray wrote:
>>>
>>>> In article >, Brian Gaff
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Re disorientation, could the underside be painted with a cross
>>>>> hatch with co-ordinates on it to aid this problem?
>>>>
>>>> Offhand guess: you'd really not want to do that, as the paint could
>>>> cause nontrivial problems on re-entry, when it starts flaking and
>>>> potentially contributing to abrading or thermally damaging the TPS,
>>>> plus any subsequent (probably minor) aerodynamic effects.
>>>>
>>>What about the stuff between the tiles? Could that be a different
>>>colour than the tiles?
>>
>> ...Oh hell, just color code the tiles different shades of black :-)
>>
> I see a red door and I want it painted black
> No colours anymore, I want them to turn black
>
> sorry, could not resist.

No need for apologies, but I may need to after this one:

"It's the wild color scheme that freaks me. Every time you try to operate
one of these weird black controls that are labeled in black on a black
background, a little black light lights up black to let you know you've
done it. What is this? Some kind of galactic cyberhearse?"

"Perhaps whoever designed it had eyes that responded to different
wavelengths."

"Or didn't have much imagination."

"Perhaps he was feeling very depressed."

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[Jorge R. Frank]

Doug... > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> says...
>>
>> "Perhaps he was feeling very depressed."
>
> Thank you, Marvin, if we had wanted your opinion, we would have left
> you in the car park!

Aw, dammit, you got that one... last line gives it away. OK, how about:

"Something about this, that, that's so black, it's like, how much more
black could this be, and the answer is, none, none more black."

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[LooseChanj]

On or about 08 Jul 2003 05:57:15 GMT, Jorge R. Frank >
made the sensational claim that:
> "Something about this, that, that's so black, it's like, how much more
> black could this be, and the answer is, none, none more black."

Well I think it's depressing, it looks like death.
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[Terrell Miller]

"Jorge R. Frank" > wrote in message
...

> "Perhaps whoever designed it had eyes that responded to different
> wavelengths."
>
> "Or didn't have much imagination."
>
> "Perhaps he was feeling very depressed."

"I wait in this place
Where the sun never shines
I wait in this place
Where the shadows run from themselves"

--
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-Gordon Sumner

[David Higgins]

OM wrote:

>>"I wait in this place
>>Where the sun never shines
>>I wait in this place
>>Where the shadows run from themselves"
>
>
> "The lunatics are on the group
> The lunatics are on the group
> They post their wanking rantings full of poop
> And then get stuck in an infinite loop"


Wow, I don't remember Cream singing those lyrics....

[LooseChanj]

On or about Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:23:19 GMT, David Higgins
> made the sensational claim that:
> Wow, I don't remember Cream singing those lyrics....

You were probably too high on LDS.
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[David Higgins]

LooseChanj wrote:

>> Wow, I don't remember Cream singing those lyrics....
>
> You were probably too high on LDS.

Probably Xylene, from cleaning tape heads. Freaking
IGM Instacart rack had 96 of the buggers.

[Doug...]

In article >,
om@our_blessed_lady_mary_of_the_holy_NASA_research _facility.org says...
> On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:52:32 -0400, "Terrell Miller"
> > wrote:
>
> >"Jorge R. Frank" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >> "Perhaps whoever designed it had eyes that responded to different
> >> wavelengths."
> >>
> >> "Or didn't have much imagination."
> >>
> >> "Perhaps he was feeling very depressed."
> >
> >"I wait in this place
> >Where the sun never shines
> >I wait in this place
> >Where the shadows run from themselves"
>
> "The lunatics are on the group
> The lunatics are on the group
> They post their wanking rantings full of poop
> And then get stuck in an infinite loop"

"And if sci-dot-space-dot-star
Gets back to
Talking 'bout the Moon,
Then I'll see you on the far side of the loons."

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[OM]

On Tue, 8 Jul 2003 20:52:32 -0400, "Terrell Miller"
> wrote:

>"Jorge R. Frank" > wrote in message
...
>
>> "Perhaps whoever designed it had eyes that responded to different
>> wavelengths."
>>
>> "Or didn't have much imagination."
>>
>> "Perhaps he was feeling very depressed."
>
>"I wait in this place
>Where the sun never shines
>I wait in this place
>Where the shadows run from themselves"

"The lunatics are on the group
The lunatics are on the group
They post their wanking rantings full of poop
And then get stuck in an infinite loop"


OM

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