Re: Why doesn't the CAIB criticize the USAF?

[John Maxson]

1) Rogers set the precedent which Gehman follows.

2) The NASA Administrator appointed Gehman.

3) Bush appointed O'Keefe. Bush is pro-DOD.

4) Congress is controlled by pro-Bush committees.

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Author, The Betrayal of Mission 51-L (www.mission51l.com)


baDBob > wrote in message
...
>
> Since the camera that was so messed up belonged to the USAF,
> why aren't they at fault for the poor pictures? Why aren't they
> being criticized for reporting to the FRR, pre-launch, that the
> range was "ready to support?"
>
> Bob

[Brian Gaff]

"baDBob" > wrote in message
...
|
| Since the camera that was so messed up belonged to the USAF, why
| aren't they at fault for the poor pictures? Why aren't they being
| criticised for reporting to the FRR, pre-launch, that the range was
| "ready to support?"
|
| Bob
|
Have you ever seen those little sighns that bosses have on their desks,
with...

The buck stops here...

On them?

The question is really who's job was it to make sure the resources outside
of Nasa were working properly.

Brian

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[baDBob]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:27:35 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
> wrote:

>
>
>"baDBob" > wrote in message
...
>|
>| Since the camera that was so messed up belonged to the USAF, why
>| aren't they at fault for the poor pictures? Why aren't they being
>| criticised for reporting to the FRR, pre-launch, that the range was
>| "ready to support?"
>|
>| Bob
>|
>Have you ever seen those little sighns that bosses have on their desks,
>with...
>
>The buck stops here...
>
>On them?
>
>The question is really who's job was it to make sure the resources outside
>of Nasa were working properly.
>
>Brian

Are you saying that it is NASA's responsibility to verify that USAF
equipment is working properly?

That is what the FRR is for. If the USAF lies about the state of
their equipment, how can NASA be held accountable?

Bob

[OM]

On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:27:35 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
> wrote:

>The question is really who's job was it to make sure the resources outside
>of Nasa were working properly.

....And besides, we're dealing with the Air Farce. In situations like
this, they'll just shrug it off and go off on their merry little way
as always.


OM

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[Brian Gaff]

Surely, what it means is, what is the meaning of readiness. So often in the
past, one person's idea of OK is not another's, so, in my view, on something
important, someone at Nasa really ought to have had some way to check these
things out. I'm no expert, but don't they run tests and give some kind of
quantified result on the performance?

Brian

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"baDBob" > wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 5 Jul 2003 16:27:35 +0100, "Brian Gaff"
| > wrote:
|
| >
| >
| >"baDBob" > wrote in message
| ...
| >|
| >| Since the camera that was so messed up belonged to the USAF, why
| >| aren't they at fault for the poor pictures? Why aren't they being
| >| criticised for reporting to the FRR, pre-launch, that the range was
| >| "ready to support?"
| >|
| >| Bob
| >|
| >Have you ever seen those little sighns that bosses have on their desks,
| >with...
| >
| >The buck stops here...
| >
| >On them?
| >
| >The question is really who's job was it to make sure the resources
outside
| >of Nasa were working properly.
| >
| >Brian
|
| Are you saying that it is NASA's responsibility to verify that USAF
| equipment is working properly?
|
| That is what the FRR is for. If the USAF lies about the state of
| their equipment, how can NASA be held accountable?
|
| Bob
|


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[LooseChanj]

On or about Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:22:27 -0700, Charleston >
made the sensational claim that:
> I have stayed off of this group for quite a while and I wasn't even watching
> until recently when it was brought to my attention that my name came up a
> few times in a negative manner.

Shut up. Go away. You and the noise you bring are not wanted here.
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[Charleston]

"LooseChanj" > wrote in message
m...

> Shut up. Go away. You and the noise you bring are not wanted here.

For noise look up! ^

If you have a comment relevent to the thread make one. Please take a look
at the thread and see who agrees on what. Thanks.

[OM]

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 04:28:19 GMT, LooseChanj >
wrote:

>On or about Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:22:27 -0700, Daniel "****heel" Maxson >
>made the sensational claim that:
>> I have stayed off of this group for quite a while and I wasn't even watching
>> until recently when it was brought to my attention that my name came up a
>> few times in a negative manner.
>
>Shut up. Go away. You and the noise you bring are not wanted here.

....And you know, that's the same sort of bull**** threat tactic his
equally worthless brother throws around. Haven't they learned by now
that it won't work, and that those who live like a troll will be
flamed as a troll?


OM

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[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"LooseChanj" > wrote in message
m...
> On or about Sat, 5 Jul 2003 18:22:27 -0700, Charleston
>
> made the sensational claim that:
> > I have stayed off of this group for quite a while and I wasn't even
watching
> > until recently when it was brought to my attention that my name came up
a
> > few times in a negative manner.
>
> Shut up. Go away. You and the noise you bring are not wanted here.

Bull.

I for one thought the post was no worse than most posted here. Let's try
attacking the post rather than the poster for a change.


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[LooseChanj]

On or about Sun, 06 Jul 2003 11:39:10 GMT, Greg D. Moore (Strider)
> made the sensational claim that:
> Bull.

****.

> I for one thought the post was no worse than most posted here. Let's try
> attacking the post rather than the poster for a change.

We all know where it goes from here. Sensible, reasonable. Lull people into
thinking maybe he's changed his tune, and will actually discuss things. Then
off into well let's see how much **** we can get on the walls. It's attitudes
like yours that have thrown this group into the ****ter. Daniel may not be as
bad as his brother or father, but he's still an unwelcome influence, based on
past behavior. Good people have left this group because too many won't turn
away from this bait and switch tactic.
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[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"LooseChanj" > wrote in message
m...
>
> We all know where it goes from here. Sensible, reasonable. Lull people
into
> thinking maybe he's changed his tune, and will actually discuss things.
Then
> off into well let's see how much **** we can get on the walls. It's
attitudes
> like yours that have thrown this group into the ****ter. Daniel may not
be as
> bad as his brother or father, but he's still an unwelcome influence, based
on
> past behavior. Good people have left this group because too many won't
turn
> away from this bait and switch tactic.

I think you'll find as many if not more people have left because of people's
reactions to the trolls.

But I'm going to drop this thread as I don't want to continue generating
useless noise.

(Besides, OM will only suggest you killfile me anyway.)


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[Glenn Woodell]

In article >,
says...
>
>Surely, what it means is, what is the meaning of readiness. So often in the
>past, one person's idea of OK is not another's, so, in my view, on something
>important, someone at Nasa really ought to have had some way to check these
>things out. I'm no expert, but don't they run tests and give some kind of
>quantified result on the performance?

The Air Force method of testing these cameras is to look at the photos at the
next launch. KSC has been plagues with this problem for a long time. The AF
does what it wants to do and at their schedule.

Glenn

[LooseChanj]

On or about Sun, 06 Jul 2003 13:33:17 GMT, Greg D. Moore (Strider)
> made the sensational claim that:
> I think you'll find as many if not more people have left because of people's
> reactions to the trolls.

Part of my point. *ANY* reaction to a troll beyond ignoring them only fuels
the fire.

> But I'm going to drop this thread as I don't want to continue generating
> useless noise.

Me too. Just remember what I said about giving Daniel another chance...it'll
only generate noise.

> (Besides, OM will only suggest you killfile me anyway.)

Oh, I wouldn't killfile you. I just think you're way offbase in giving Danny
Boy yet another "go right ahead and fill the group with bull****" chance.
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