Re: Clinton's sham enviro-terrorism doomed the Shuttle ( was Re: Turn Manned Space Flight Over To the Military is more like it.

[Alan Erskine]

Have a look at the groups this moron posted to:
alt.space.monkey.invaders:1942 alt.space*******s. Just another useless
troll.

--
Alan Erskine
alanerskine(at)optusnet.com.au
John Howard - Australia's GW Bush

"Raymond Luxury-Yacht II" > wrote in message
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[zmike6]

First, is there positive information that confirms whether or not this
particular tank was coated using the new formulation? I have not seen
anything conclusive on that, some of the early statements from NASA
implied that this was an older tank which was more likely to have used
the older formulation. I don't know one way or the other.

Anyway, the Montreal Protocol and the resulting push to phase out CFCs
go all the way back to the Reagan and First Bush administrations.
http://www.epa.gov/history/topics/montreal/05.htm
(William K Reilly was the Bush appointee for head of EPA.)

[Chris Jones]

zmike6 > writes:

> First, is there positive information that confirms whether or not this
> particular tank was coated using the new formulation? I have not seen
> anything conclusive on that, some of the early statements from NASA
> implied that this was an older tank which was more likely to have used
> the older formulation. I don't know one way or the other.

According to the CAIB, the bipod ramp of ET in question was coated with
the same material that had been used since the beginning. It's true
that newer ETs have a different material, but the fact is that it's the
old, so-called environmentally unsafe material that came loose and is
thought to have caused the damage that led to Columbia's loss. In other
words, the premise of the original post is invalid, so any conclusions
drawn from it are specious.

[Doug...]

In article >, says...
> zmike6 > writes:
>
> > First, is there positive information that confirms whether or not this
> > particular tank was coated using the new formulation? I have not seen
> > anything conclusive on that, some of the early statements from NASA
> > implied that this was an older tank which was more likely to have used
> > the older formulation. I don't know one way or the other.
>
> According to the CAIB, the bipod ramp of ET in question was coated with
> the same material that had been used since the beginning. It's true
> that newer ETs have a different material, but the fact is that it's the
> old, so-called environmentally unsafe material that came loose and is
> thought to have caused the damage that led to Columbia's loss. In other
> words, the premise of the original post is invalid, so any conclusions
> drawn from it are specious.

Ah, but you are trying to tell someone who thinks he can blame every ill
in his life and in the country's life on Bill Clinton and every other
politician to the left of Attila the Hun. Save your breath; it's as much
a lost cause as trying to convince Bert Sibrel that we landed on the
moon.

--

It's not the pace of life I mind; | Doug Van Dorn
it's the sudden stop at the end... |

[Doug...]

In article >, says...
> zmike6 > writes:
>
> > First, is there positive information that confirms whether or not this
> > particular tank was coated using the new formulation? I have not seen
> > anything conclusive on that, some of the early statements from NASA
> > implied that this was an older tank which was more likely to have used
> > the older formulation. I don't know one way or the other.
>
> According to the CAIB, the bipod ramp of ET in question was coated with
> the same material that had been used since the beginning. It's true
> that newer ETs have a different material, but the fact is that it's the
> old, so-called environmentally unsafe material that came loose and is
> thought to have caused the damage that led to Columbia's loss. In other
> words, the premise of the original post is invalid, so any conclusions
> drawn from it are specious.

Ah, but you are trying to tell someone who thinks he can blame every ill
in his life and in the country's life on Bill Clinton and every other
politician to the left of Attila the Hun. Save your breath; it's as much
a lost cause as trying to convince Bert Sibrel that we landed on the
moon.

--

It's not the pace of life I mind; | Doug Van Dorn
it's the sudden stop at the end... |

[James Oberg]

The material wasn't the issue, it was the 'foaming agent'. But I agree, the
claimed cause-and-effect is dubious to me.



"Chris Jones" > wrote in message
...
> zmike6 > writes:
>
> > First, is there positive information that confirms whether or not this
> > particular tank was coated using the new formulation? I have not seen
> > anything conclusive on that, some of the early statements from NASA
> > implied that this was an older tank which was more likely to have used
> > the older formulation. I don't know one way or the other.
>
> According to the CAIB, the bipod ramp of ET in question was coated with
> the same material that had been used since the beginning. It's true
> that newer ETs have a different material, but the fact is that it's the
> old, so-called environmentally unsafe material that came loose and is
> thought to have caused the damage that led to Columbia's loss. In other
> words, the premise of the original post is invalid, so any conclusions
> drawn from it are specious.

[Doug...]

In article >, says...
> Doug... > writes:
>
> [...]
>
> > Ah, but you are trying to tell someone who thinks he can blame every ill
> > in his life and in the country's life on Bill Clinton and every other
> > politician to the left of Attila the Hun. Save your breath; it's as much
> > a lost cause as trying to convince Bert Sibrel that we landed on the
> > moon.
>
> I realize the original poster is likely beyond hope; I was sharing the
> information so others who might have been wondering about the issue
> could have some facts.

And it's appreciated.

--

It's not the pace of life I mind; | Doug Van Dorn
it's the sudden stop at the end... |

[Scott Lowther]

Doug... wrote:

> ... and every other politician to the left of Attila the Hun.

Not too many of those. Pillage and conquest... leftist politics at its
best.

--
Scott Lowther, Engineer

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