So, where I was last week....

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue techniques.
Once a year the organization I'm with does a week long training seminar.

What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?

Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to three
astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.

I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.

(Oh and drove by the airport too.)



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[Pat Flannery]

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
> I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue
> techniques. Once a year the organization I'm with does a week long
> training seminar.
>
> What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?
>
> Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to
> three astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.
>
> I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.
>
> (Oh and drove by the airport too.)

KARST!?
Not them! The Deros are bad enough, but I didn't suspect that your
"colonists" were the Karst.
It's a _good_ thing that they are getting White Nose Syndrome and dying,
before they can start harvesting human organs again...and laying their
eggs in the unfortunate victims.
You go to the doctor right now Mr. Moore and get a whole-body X-ray, for
it's a rare person who goes into a Karst-infested cave and emerges with
everything inside of him that he started out with.
And pray to God those X-rays don't show a group of grape-sized eggs
lurking in your large intestine....assuming you _still have_ a large
intestine. :-)

Pat

[David Spain]

Pat Flannery > writes:

> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>> I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue techniques. Once
>> a year the organization I'm with does a week long training seminar.
>>
>> What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?
>>
>> Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to three
>> astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.
>>
>> I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.

OK, I'll bite, Mike Smith has an airport named after him in
Beaufort NC. Don't know about home to 3 astronauts, haven't been
on Google enough yet.

There's this about karst in NC:

http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Geologic_hazards_sink_holes_karst/sinkholes.htm

Am I warm?

Dave

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"David Spain" > wrote in message
...
> OK, I'll bite, Mike Smith has an airport named after him in
> Beaufort NC. Don't know about home to 3 astronauts, haven't been
> on Google enough yet.
>
> There's this about karst in NC:
>
> http://www.geology.enr.state.nc.us/Geologic_hazards_sink_holes_karst/sinkholes.htm
>
> Am I warm?
>
> Dave

Nope.

Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw the
name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.



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[Chris]

On Jun 23, 5:33*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:

> Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw the
> name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.

Tom Stafford Airport, in Weatherford, OK?

Chris Manteuffel

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

Good try, but not to many caves there that I know of.



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"Chris" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 23, 5:33 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:

> Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw the
> name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.

Tom Stafford Airport, in Weatherford, OK?

Chris Manteuffel

[Peter Stickney[_2_]]

OM wrote:

> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Chris >
> wrote:
>
>>On Jun 23, 5:33Â*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:
>>
>>> Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw
>>> the name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.
>>
>>Tom Stafford Airport, in Weatherford, OK?
>
> ...Jose Jimenez Memorial Aerodrome in Mexico City?

Nah - Jose Jimenez in in Nevada.
How far into Nevada we're not really sure.

Is that your Crash Helmet?
Ooh - I hope not!
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[Frogwatch[_2_]]

On Jun 24, 5:59*pm, Peter Stickney > wrote:
> OM wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Chris >
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 23, 5:33*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> > wrote:
>
> >>> Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw
> >>> the name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.
>
> >>Tom Stafford Airport, in Weatherford, OK?
>
> > ...Jose Jimenez Memorial Aerodrome in Mexico City?
>
> Nah - Jose Jimenez in in Nevada.
> How far into Nevada we're not really sure.
>
> Is that your Crash Helmet?
> Ooh - I hope not!
> --
> Pete Stickney

Huntsville? Do any caving?

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

Huntsville is a good guess and I have done caving there (but unfortunately
did not have time to visit the center there.)

Unfortunately, not there this year.

A bit further north.



"Frogwatch" > wrote in message
...
On Jun 24, 5:59 pm, Peter Stickney > wrote:
> OM wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 18:35:44 -0700 (PDT), Chris >
> > wrote:
>
> >>On Jun 23, 5:33 pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> > wrote:
>
> >>> Though I will say surprisingly, while I drove by the airport, and saw
> >>> the name, I don't easily find mention of it on google.
>
> >>Tom Stafford Airport, in Weatherford, OK?
>
> > ...Jose Jimenez Memorial Aerodrome in Mexico City?
>
> Nah - Jose Jimenez in in Nevada.
> How far into Nevada we're not really sure.
>
> Is that your Crash Helmet?
> Ooh - I hope not!
> --
> Pete Stickney

Huntsville? Do any caving?



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[Pat Flannery]

Peter Stickney wrote:
> Nah - Jose Jimenez in in Nevada.
> How far into Nevada we're not really sure.
>
That's _deep_ in Nevada.
And how deep?
Oh, about ten to twelve feet.

Pat

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

Ok, a further clue:

I was in the heartland.

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"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote in message
m...
> I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue techniques.
> Once a year the organization I'm with does a week long training seminar.
>
> What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?
>
> Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to three
> astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.
>
> I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.
>
> (Oh and drove by the airport too.)
>
>
>
> --
> Greg Moore
> Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
>

[Eric Chomko[_2_]]

On Jun 30, 10:00*am, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:
> Ok, a further clue:
>
> I was in the heartland.
>

John Mellencamp's house? Setting up for Farm-Aid 2009?

[Eric Chomko[_2_]]

On Jun 22, 10:39*pm, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> wrote:
> I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue techniques.
> Once a year the organization I'm with does a week long training seminar.
>
> What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?
>
> Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to three
> astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.
>
> I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.
>
> (Oh and drove by the airport too.)

Ohio?

>
> --
> Greg Moore
> Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.

[Jeff Findley]

"Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote in message
...
> Ok, a further clue:
>
> I was in the heartland.
>
> --
> Greg Moore
> Ask me about lily, an RPI based CMC.
>
> "Greg D. Moore (Strider)" > wrote in
> message m...
>> I've mentioned elsewhere I believe that I teach cave rescue techniques.
>> Once a year the organization I'm with does a week long training seminar.
>>
>> What's that got to do with ssh you may ask?
>>
>> Let's just say the area I was in has lots of karst and was home to three
>> astronauts, one of whom has an airport named after them.
>>
>> I'll let others figure out exactly where that is.
>>
>> (Oh and drove by the airport too.)
>>

Indiana?

karst = Karst is a special type of landscape that is formed by the
dissolution of soluble rocks, including limestone and dolomite.

Grissom Air Reserve Base (formerly Grissom Air Force Base) was named after
Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom.

Indiana has had more than three astronauts though:

Joseph Allen -- Born in Crawfordsville, DePauw '59. On first four-man
shuttle crew. Missions: 1982, '85
Dominic Antonelli -- Raised in Indiana before moving to North Carolina.
Selected as a pilot by NASA in 2000 and is performing technical duties
awaiting assignment to a space flight.
Frank Borman -- Born in Gary. Commanded the Apollo 8 mission that was first
to circle the moon. Missions: 1965, '68
Kenneth Bowersox -- Grew up in Bedford. Missions: 1992, '93, '95, '97, 02
Anthony England -- Born in Indianapolis. Missions: 1985
Kevin Ford -- Montpelier, Ind.; Notre Dame '82; awaiting first space flight
assignment
Michael T. Good -- Notre Dame '84; awaiting first space flght assignment
Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom -- The Mitchell, Ind., native was the second
American to fly in space but was killed in the Apollo 1 fire in 1967.
Missions: 1961,'65
James Wetherbee -- Notre Dame '74. In '95, was on first joint United
States-Russia mission. Missions: 1990, '92, '95, '97, 2001

Jeff
--
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that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Jeff Findley" > wrote in message
...
>
> Indiana?

We have a winner, though didn't quite narrow it down to the town, but close
enough, details below.

The actual town I was in was Bedford itself (and that's the specific area I
was thinking of, not the entire state. :-)

Two astronauts supposedly were from (or spent time in) in Bedford, Bowersox
of course was one of them. I'm drawing a blank on the 2nd.

And Grissom of course was the next town over. And it was the airport that I
drove by.

And yes, there is a lot of caves in that area due to all the karst. Some
really great caves.

And while there, unfortunately I had really lousy access. I had to use my
cell modem and was getting 1RxTT speeds, but really crappy ones at that.

And to top it off, someone knocked my laptop off the desk and broke a corner
and a USB port. Finally time to replace it I think.


>
> karst = Karst is a special type of landscape that is formed by the
> dissolution of soluble rocks, including limestone and dolomite.
>
> Grissom Air Reserve Base (formerly Grissom Air Force Base) was named after
> Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom.
>
> Indiana has had more than three astronauts though:
>
> Joseph Allen -- Born in Crawfordsville, DePauw '59. On first four-man
> shuttle crew. Missions: 1982, '85
> Dominic Antonelli -- Raised in Indiana before moving to North Carolina.
> Selected as a pilot by NASA in 2000 and is performing technical duties
> awaiting assignment to a space flight.
> Frank Borman -- Born in Gary. Commanded the Apollo 8 mission that was
> first to circle the moon. Missions: 1965, '68
> Kenneth Bowersox -- Grew up in Bedford. Missions: 1992, '93, '95, '97, 02
> Anthony England -- Born in Indianapolis. Missions: 1985
> Kevin Ford -- Montpelier, Ind.; Notre Dame '82; awaiting first space
> flight assignment
> Michael T. Good -- Notre Dame '84; awaiting first space flght assignment
> Virgil I. "Gus" Grissom -- The Mitchell, Ind., native was the second
> American to fly in space but was killed in the Apollo 1 fire in 1967.
> Missions: 1961,'65
> James Wetherbee -- Notre Dame '74. In '95, was on first joint United
> States-Russia mission. Missions: 1990, '92, '95, '97, 2001
>
> Jeff

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[Pat Flannery]

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>
> We have a winner, though didn't quite narrow it down to the town, but
> close enough, details below.
>
> The actual town I was in was Bedford itself (and that's the specific
> area I was thinking of, not the entire state. :-)

Seriously this time, does going into a cave environment sound safe?
Considering that entire species of invertebrates and vertebrates have
evolved to live in this particular environment, why does any spelunker
feel safe considering what forms of fungi and bacteria may have also
evolved there also?
IIRC, there is at least one cave that has a potentially dangerous form
of bacteria living in it that should not be inhaled, requiring the use
of breathing gear during the entire stay in the cave.
And what the Hell was the "White Nose Syndrome" about?

Pat

[Jeff Findley]

"Pat Flannery" > wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
>
>
> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>>
>> We have a winner, though didn't quite narrow it down to the town, but
>> close enough, details below.
>>
>> The actual town I was in was Bedford itself (and that's the specific area
>> I was thinking of, not the entire state. :-)
>
> Seriously this time, does going into a cave environment sound safe?
> Considering that entire species of invertebrates and vertebrates have
> evolved to live in this particular environment, why does any spelunker
> feel safe considering what forms of fungi and bacteria may have also
> evolved there also?
> IIRC, there is at least one cave that has a potentially dangerous form of
> bacteria living in it that should not be inhaled, requiring the use of
> breathing gear during the entire stay in the cave.
> And what the Hell was the "White Nose Syndrome" about?

The caves in Bedford Indiana aren't terribly dangerous. I've been through
one of them when I was in high school. Naturally it's good to be with a
"trained" spelunker on such a trip and have the right equipment and watch
the weather... That said, Boy Scout groups go through Indiana caves "all
the time" and the Boy Scouts of America has become rather paranoid on the
activities they allow or don't allow. They have an entire book on the
subject called The Guide to Safe Scouting.

Jeff
--
"Take heart amid the deepening gloom
that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National
Lampoon

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Jeff Findley" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Pat Flannery" > wrote in message
> dakotatelephone...
>>
>>
>> Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>>>
>>> We have a winner, though didn't quite narrow it down to the town, but
>>> close enough, details below.
>>>
>>> The actual town I was in was Bedford itself (and that's the specific
>>> area I was thinking of, not the entire state. :-)
>>
>> Seriously this time, does going into a cave environment sound safe?
>> Considering that entire species of invertebrates and vertebrates have
>> evolved to live in this particular environment, why does any spelunker
>> feel safe considering what forms of fungi and bacteria may have also
>> evolved there also?
>> IIRC, there is at least one cave that has a potentially dangerous form of
>> bacteria living in it that should not be inhaled, requiring the use of
>> breathing gear during the entire stay in the cave.
>> And what the Hell was the "White Nose Syndrome" about?
>
> The caves in Bedford Indiana aren't terribly dangerous. I've been through
> one of them when I was in high school. Naturally it's good to be with a
> "trained" spelunker on such a trip and have the right equipment and watch
> the weather... That said, Boy Scout groups go through Indiana caves "all
> the time" and the Boy Scouts of America has become rather paranoid on the
> activities they allow or don't allow. They have an entire book on the
> subject called The Guide to Safe Scouting.
>
> Jeff

I assumed Pat was being his usual self with the question. But yes, caving
in general is fairly safe.

I'm the co-Captain of my cave team. The last time my time was called out
was I believe about 2-3 years ago.

Other parts of the country are a tad busier.

The reality is, the bulk of the people we train will most likely never be
called out to a formal rescue.

Now, there's one place of caves I'd like to go that I doubt I'll ever get
the chance. They're lava tubes. But not the ones in Hawaii, but the ones
about 250,000 miles "that away....."

That would be quite the trip.

Sorta like cave diving in terms of air limits, but unlike it in many other
ways. Would be different, that's for sure.


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[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Reunite Gondwanaland (Mary Shafer)" > wrote in
message ...
> On Wed, 1 Jul 2009 17:10:22 -0400, "Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)"
> > wrote:
>
>
>> Now, there's one place of caves I'd like to go that I doubt I'll ever get
>> the chance. They're lava tubes. But not the ones in Hawaii, but the
>> ones
>> about 250,000 miles "that away....."
>
> Have you been to the ones in Lava Tubes National Monument?

I have not. One of these days I should.
>
>> That would be quite the trip.
>
> While getting to the NM isn't as easy as some other places, it's a lot
> easier than the ones you mention.

True, but we do these things not because they're easy, but because they're
difficult.

Or something like that.


> ."
> Mary "I've been to the NM"

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[Pat Flannery]

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>
>
> Now, there's one place of caves I'd like to go that I doubt I'll ever
> get the chance. They're lava tubes. But not the ones in Hawaii, but
> the ones about 250,000 miles "that away....."
>
> That would be quite the trip.
>
> Sorta like cave diving in terms of air limits, but unlike it in many
> other ways. Would be different, that's for sure.

Yeah, it would really be fascinating to see the interior of the lunar
lava tubes, especially since the low gravity would mean they could be
very large in diameter without collapsing.
As far as dangerous microorganisms living in caves:
http://blog.showcaves.com/?p=45
http://www.showcaves.com/english/usa/caves/Waikanaloa.html
http://www.sciencenews.org/view/generic/id/43632/title/Biocides_inducing_resistance_in_Lascaux_cave%E2%80 %99s_microbes

Pat

[Greg D. Moore \(Strider\)]

"Pat Flannery" > wrote in message
dakotatelephone...
> Seriously this time, does going into a cave environment sound safe?

Yes.

> Considering that entire species of invertebrates and vertebrates have
> evolved to live in this particular environment, why does any spelunker
> feel safe considering what forms of fungi and bacteria may have also
> evolved there also?

There's really only one fungus we have to worry about (and I've probably
already been exposed); histoplasmosis.

For the most part the vast majorities of caves have air that is safe to
breath.

> IIRC, there is at least one cave that has a potentially dangerous form of
> bacteria living in it that should not be inhaled, requiring the use of
> breathing gear during the entire stay in the cave.
> And what the Hell was the "White Nose Syndrome" about?

Who the hell knows. It's a serious problem and they're still not really
sure of the cause. For sure we know that bats in some areas are dying in
vast numbers and are underweight and have a white fungus on their nose.
Whether that's a cause or result still isn't known.

We're seeing in some cases 90% or greater mortality rates in some areas.
For those who think, "eh, what's the big deal" let's say that bug
populations are probably going to soar in some areas.

Personally, I suspect that we're just going to have let it burn its way
across the US and hope bats build up resistence. But in the meantime,
millions of bats will die.

Don't confuse this with the Brown Nose Syndrome that some know so well.

>
> Pat



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[Pat Flannery]

Greg D. Moore (Strider) wrote:
>
> Who the hell knows. It's a serious problem and they're still not
> really sure of the cause. For sure we know that bats in some areas
> are dying in vast numbers and are underweight and have a white fungus
> on their nose. Whether that's a cause or result still isn't known.
>
> We're seeing in some cases 90% or greater mortality rates in some
> areas. For those who think, "eh, what's the big deal" let's say that
> bug populations are probably going to soar in some areas.
>
> Personally, I suspect that we're just going to have let it burn its
> way across the US and hope bats build up resistence. But in the
> meantime, millions of bats will die.
>
> Don't confuse this with the Brown Nose Syndrome that some know so well.

I never realized how many bats were around Jamestown till I got a pair
of 7x80 binoculars for star watching and could see hundreds of them
silhouetted against the stars at night as they flew out of a nearby park
after sunset to hunt for insects attracted by the downtown lights.
There's a really fun book called "Bat Bomb" (
http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292707908 )
about plans in WW II to take bats, attach a small incendiary bomb to
them and release them from over Japan just before dawn so they would
seek shelter in buildings which would then be destroyed when the
incendiary charges ignited.
The bats for the operation were acquired from a cave, and as part of
making a movie for the government to show how the project was
progressing, they took large floodlights into the cave and prepared to
illuminate its ceiling so the hoards of resting bats could be seen
hanging there.
One of the crew installing the lights stated: "You know, there never has
been light in here before, and I don't know how the bats are going to
react to it when we hit the switch, but I'll guarantee you they _are_
going to react."
So they hit the switch.
And for a few seconds all was calm.
Then the whole ceiling suddenly came alive as the bats went into motion
and began urinating, and the downpour of bat urine hit the floodlights,
causing them to short out or explode. Then, in the darkness, the film
crew found themselves with hundreds of bats crawling all over them and
began screaming, as they clawed their way back to the entrance of the
cave. :-D

Pat

[OM[_6_]]

On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:31:10 -0500, Pat Flannery >
wrote:

>There's a really fun book called "Bat Bomb" (
>http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292707908 )

....Does the book give any hints as to whether this was in response to
the "balloon bombs" the Japs were launching against the US West Coast?


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[Derek Lyons]

OM > wrote:

>On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:31:10 -0500, Pat Flannery >
>wrote:
>
>>There's a really fun book called "Bat Bomb" (
>>http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292707908 )
>
>...Does the book give any hints as to whether this was in response to
>the "balloon bombs" the Japs were launching against the US West Coast?

The review indicates the book covers the period 1942-43, so - no.

D.
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[Rick Jones[_3_]]

OM > wrote:
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 15:31:10 -0500, Pat Flannery >
> wrote:

> >There's a really fun book called "Bat Bomb" (
> >http://www.amazon.com/Bat-Bomb-World-Secret-Weapon/dp/0292707908 )

> ...Does the book give any hints as to whether this was in response to
> the "balloon bombs" the Japs were launching against the US West Coast?

My recollection of the Bat Bomb program history was it was motivated
simply to find a more efficient way to burn-out Japan than scattering
thermite willy nilly from on high. Strap small thermite (?) devices
to the bats, knock them out for the drop timed such that they wake "in
time" then the go find some nice eaves in which to roost.

I further recall the history saying they went as far as creating a
mock-up in the desert and had some very successful tests. I think
they just weren't quite ready in time to be "better" than more
conventional means.

rick jones
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these opinions are mine, all mine; HP might not want them anyway... :)
feel free to post, OR email to rick.jones2 in hp.com but NOT BOTH...

[Pat Flannery]

Derek Lyons wrote:
> The review indicates the book covers the period 1942-43, so - no.
>

Obviously, I still don't have OM completly out of all my killfiles as I
didn't see this.
I don't remember if those got mentioned or not in the book Trying to
convince ranchers that there is no relationship between some of their
livestock disappearing and your mascot...a tiger...arriving proved a bit
difficult.
For a good discussion of balloons used both as weapons in WW II and
later a reconnaissance system over the Soviet Union, read "The Moby Dick
Project" by Curtiss Peebles:
http://www.amazon.com/MOBY-DICK-PROJECT-Curtis-Peebles/dp/1560980257
Which describes the Japanese ones, as well as the lesser-known British
Project Outward which was used to carry incendiary bombs into Germany in
a similar fashion with the added intention of shorting out electrical
power lines.
There's also stuff about the Fugo balloons online:
http://www.stelzriede.com/ms/html/mshwfugo.htm
http://www.seanet.com/~johnco/fugo.htm
"Bat Bomb" is so funny that I'm surprised it hasn't been made into a movie.



Pat

[Pat Flannery]

Rick Jones wrote:
> I further recall the history saying they went as far as creating a
> mock-up in the desert and had some very successful tests.
>
It wasn't a "mock-up" it was a newly built Army Air Corps training base,
and the refrigerator keeping the bats in hibernation failed during the
night, so they flew all over the base and took shelter as dawn broke.
Then the whole base went up in flames.
It was a very successful, if unintentional, test. :-D

Pat